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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:57 |
wjohnd wrote:
lazland wrote:
Marbles is a bonafide five star classic masterpiece. In fact, the greatest album ever recorded. Every home should have a copy. in fact, Cameron should enact legislation to that effect. |
ok Laz, you have me listening to Marbles and give it another chance.. I kind of gave up on the Marillion boys after This Strange Engine.
I liked Hogarth at the start but the more influence he exerted the duller they seemed to get. The songs just seemed to blend into one rather vague ramble- maybe they were just too subtle for me at the time.
It's probably a bad sign that I really quite like cannibal surf babe from Afraid of Sunlight , right
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I hear that from time-to-time. Marillion isn't for everyone. I commend you for giving them a try, though. It does say a lot regarding your tastes that you enjoy "Cannibal Surf Babe" the most on Afraid Of Sunlight. I'm saying it's bad, but gives me a better understanding of what you're gravitating towards. I think it's safe to say that Marillion isn't for you. That's quite alright, though. E
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:57 |
Reading comprehension is pretty much my strong suit.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:54 |
But not a fraction as annoying about trolls coming in, taking a squat and crapping all over a thread. I can doubt myself a lot, but I'm friggin' dead on about this one. E
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:54 |
If some of you would actually bother to read the OP, this thread was created seeking recommendations for Neo Prog Another subtle clue that may have alerted you to this fact is the section it's placed in (i.e. Prog Recommendations) It should also be self-evident that if someone doesn't like Neo-Prog they are not in the best position to make said recommendations.
All of us are free to like and dislike whatever we see fit but if an evangelical t-totaler wanders into a bar late at night and chastises the inebriates for their indulgences, what sort of reaction do you seriously think they will get?
Stop sniping (Take it Outside in Bouncer speak)
Edited by ExittheLemming - September 17 2011 at 14:55
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wjohnd
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:50 |
lazland wrote:
Marbles is a bonafide five star classic masterpiece. In fact, the greatest album ever recorded. Every home should have a copy. in fact, Cameron should enact legislation to that effect. |
ok Laz, you have me listening to Marbles and give it another chance.. I kind of gave up on the Marillion boys after This Strange Engine.
I liked Hogarth at the start but the more influence he exerted the duller they seemed to get. The songs just seemed to blend into one rather vague ramble- maybe they were just too subtle for me at the time.
It's probably a bad sign that I really quite like cannibal surf babe from Afraid of Sunlight , right
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:47 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
Uh oh, that's 2 posts in a row. I'm teetering on being lambasted for back-to-back posts. Oh no, this makes 3!!!!
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Double-posting seriously is annoying as hell, and it only increases exponentially with the number of additional posts. There's an edit button if you forgot to add something to your post! Not to mention quote pyramids some other people are building in here...
James quadruple posts all the time in SR, I'm pretty sure he does it solely because he knows how much it annoys me (and to ensure nobody else will ever top his post count).
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And I find posting about griping about posting to be annoying, too. E
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Horizons
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:18 |
kenmartree wrote:
Your're 19 years old, explains a lot, but you could learn a lot from ProgkidJoel |
Was this post really necessary? You're just making this thread stay off topic.
Stick to talking about neo-prog. If someone dislikes it, or you... just ignore it.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:11 |
Your're ignorant, what am I supposed to do about? Why don't you just post about the topic?
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kenmartree
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 13:58 |
Your're 19 years old, explains a lot, but you could learn a lot from ProgkidJoel
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 13:24 |
Polo wrote:
I'm not trolling here, mr. Bringer o' Truth Almighty. One has the right to defend what he believes in. I keep my sillyness in the Shred Room, and I don't believe you should bring your dislike of me outta it.
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Henry Plainview wrote:
You're all missing the fact that nothing is actually good.
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Henry Plainview wrote:
Double-posting seriously is annoying as hell, and it only increases
exponentially with the number of additional posts. There's an edit
button if you forgot to add something to your post! Not to mention quote
pyramids some other people are building in here...
James
quadruple posts all the time in SR, I'm pretty sure he does it solely
because he knows how much it annoys me (and to ensure nobody else will
ever top his post count).
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Pretty much.
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Roland113
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:59 |
^ yeah, welcome to the site GG.
I wouldn't sweat it though, sometimes the most innocuous of things can spiral into something unexpected.
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I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.
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GoldenGod2112
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:51 |
What a fun topic I've created.
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The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:48 |
E-Dub wrote:
Uh oh, that's 2 posts in a row. I'm teetering on being lambasted for back-to-back posts. Oh no, this makes 3!!!!
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Double-posting seriously is annoying as hell, and it only increases exponentially with the number of additional posts. There's an edit button if you forgot to add something to your post! Not to mention quote pyramids some other people are building in here... James quadruple posts all the time in SR, I'm pretty sure he does it solely because he knows how much it annoys me (and to ensure nobody else will ever top his post count).
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:39 |
Uh oh, that's 2 posts in a row. I'm teetering on being lambasted for back-to-back posts. Oh no, this makes 3!!!!
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:37 |
kenmartree wrote:
Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?
And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.
^this part by polo OK now we can have a discussion, tell us which albums and/or songs are a resuing of golden era songs and we can talk about interpretations of the music for both the golden age stuff and the neo, I'm gonng to give you Grendal right out of the box, not for the concept but the song structure, hey they were really young.
you state neo doesn't create new concepts, what song is The Invisible Man and copy of? I have more but let's just get started shall we which discussion rather than bashing each other. |
Nice point, Kenmar. "The Invisible Man" has a sound all it's own. Same for "This Strange Engine". E
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:21 |
<<Hundreds o f discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?
And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.>>
You took my quote a bit too literally. Neo definitely brings something to the table when it is consistently up there with there with the 'elite' as it pertains to progressive music. Not sure what Justin Bieber has to do with anything and cheapens my point. I suppose that is the purpose of the debate, eh? Regardless, you won't change my mind and I won't change yours.
As for your second point: that can be said with a lot of bands in any genre. Progressive metal extracts from numerous forms. Does that make it any less valuable? I guess bands like IQ and Marillion have to apologize for coming on so late in the scene to make the naysayers happy (which is a relative term because some just don't want to be happy and have a springboard to b*tch about something). I will agree that I am getting a bit weary of the merry melodies of some neo bands, but it obviously appeals to others. So, let them enjoy it.
And one needs to look to Marillion to see that the band is consistently on the cutting edge of exploring new sounds, textures and structure. No two albums sound alike...especially in the Hogarth era. Maybe Dotcom, Anoraknophobia and Marbles embody influences from one album to the next, but they always take it a step further with each subsequent album. They had a critically acclaimed album with Marbles; however, instead of making Marbles Part 2, they threw the formula out the window and went into a completely different direction with Somewhere Else. They got roasted over the coals, but it didn't stop them from exploring.
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jean-marie
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:13 |
timothy leary wrote:
Polo wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
Polo wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre. |
Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year.
Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous.
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Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?
And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.
rushfan4 wrote:
I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo. Both members that are basically members. My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this. |
I'm not trolling here, mr. Bringer o' Truth Almighty. One has the right to defend what he believes in. I keep my sillyness in the Shred Room, and I don't believe you should bring your dislike of me outta it. |
Just your location tells me all I need to know. " your mom". How infantile and something I am sure you would only say to a computer screen. If you don't like something....state it and move on rather than hijacking a thread. | Hey Timothy! Your name is among my favourite Moodies song
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FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT HAVE YOUR DREAM LASTING LONGER THAN THE NIGHT
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lazland
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:01 |
Ok, a positive post to bash the trolls.
I'm now off to do my Saturday night chore - the ironing!
Along the next three hours will be:
Introitus - Elements. finest LP of 2011, and a standard bearer for exceptional neo-prog Pendragon - Passion. Simply sheer excellence To round off, Marillion Marbles.
Three five star albums. What more could a man desire?
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kenmartree
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:26 |
Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?
And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.
^this part by polo OK now we can have a discussion, tell us which albums and/or songs are a resuing of golden era songs and we can talk about interpretations of the music for both the golden age stuff and the neo, I'm gonng to give you Grendal right out of the box, not for the concept but the song structure, hey they were really young.
you state neo doesn't create new concepts, what song is The Invisible Man and copy of? I have more but let's just get started shall we which discussion rather than bashing each other.
Edited by kenmartree - September 17 2011 at 11:58
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Roland113
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:15 |
kenmartree wrote:
way to go, Eric! I don't know what possesses some people to head for the discussion about what they don't like. I have MDK by Magma, not really me cup of tea, but I wanted to have some idea of what Zeulh was about. However you're not going to find me on the forum trying to steer people away from something they want to explore. Music is highly personalize in its enjoyment, if it brings something in the way of emotion and feelling to you, great. we can all feel sorry for these trolls, who obviously have no joy in their life since they focus on negativity. |
Well said,
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I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.
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