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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 22:27
I find myself more taking issue with non-prog output by prog artists. For example, Miles Davis is quite possibly the most important single figure of the Fusion movement. And Kind of Blue is one of the greatest albums ever made. But as it stands now, Kind of Blue is ranked as the third best jazz/rock album and the 32nd greatest progressive rock album of all time. Which just seems weird.

It also seems a little unfair to submit albums like We Can't Dance and IT to the ravages of prog fans. I guess it's our chance to make up for all the rave reviews in the mainstream media, but you've got to admit that had the exact same songs been written and performed by someone other than Genesis, they wouldn't be on here.

I don't know. This post isn't really constructive because I haven't got any better ideas and the current system seems to be better than drawing an arbitrary line as to which of a band's discography to admit and which to remove. I'm just ranting, I suppose.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 22:22
What is Prog anyway ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 22:05
A lot of power metal bands, a lot of folk bands and Radiohead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 20:55
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Nightwish is the only addition I find highly questionable and not surprisingly even the PM team more or less excuses itself from defending it.  The rest may be CONTROVERSIAL, but there's at least some artsiness/progginess/innovation or what have you in all the names mentioned above or other favourite punching bags like Metallica.  If you really want to get into what is 'objectively' prog rock - if at all, such can be established with a semblance of a consensus - the database would drastically shrink and what would be the point of that?


That's a good point, I'd hate to see the Archives shrink. I like a lot of musical styles and when I'm not in the mood for something which might be called 'straight prog' (if such a thing exists) I come here and investigate all the related artists/genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 20:42
Nightwish is the only addition I find highly questionable and not surprisingly even the PM team more or less excuses itself from defending it.  The rest may be CONTROVERSIAL, but there's at least some artsiness/progginess/innovation or what have you in all the names mentioned above or other favourite punching bags like Metallica.  If you really want to get into what is 'objectively' prog rock - if at all, such can be established with a semblance of a consensus - the database would drastically shrink and what would be the point of that?
 
 
EDIT: The idea of listing just the prog albums of generally non prog artists (or for that matter the prog albums of artists who went pop Tongue) is a good one but thought to be infeasible.  Further, I don't think it would make the slightest difference to those reviews which you seem to allude to.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 20:34
Why so negative? Confused Just listen to what you like, because it's here doesn't mean you have to listen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 20:19
Boo hoo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 19:32
Originally posted by -Radioswim- -Radioswim- wrote:

Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Radiohead. 

huh?

Are you implying they are not progressive?

Being an alternative rock band that makes an IDM record does not a progressive band make.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 19:28
Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Radiohead. 

huh?

Are you implying they are not progressive?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 19:25
Radiohead. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2011 at 19:20
You know, many of the so called 'prog related' Artists.
It can be galling to read clueless reviews and ratings by some Italian prog fanof Albums  that have little or no 'prog' content yet you'd rather listen to them then 90+ % of the generic stuff on this site, make that 99.9% of Italian prog.
 
I know it goes with the territory of having them included in the first place but people like Bowie and Kate Bush I'd love to see removed for starters, they deserve better. I'd rather see a listing of recommended 'proggish' albums by non 'progressive' artists.Smile
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