| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Guldbamsen 
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin
Joined: January 22 2009
Location: Magic Theatre
Status: Offline
Points: 23104
|
 Posted: July 06 2011 at 18:01 |
 The Truth wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
In the same way some who's favourite painter is Jackson Pollack is "deep". It kind of pisses me off when people try to pass Beefheart for a "genius" or something for playing some retarded sounding blues rock. |
I like Beefheart and never look at his music as deep or genius but calling his music retarded-sounding is a little offensive. He did put alot of work into the record and some like it, some don't, simple as that.
RIP Don Van Vilet.
|
One of my all-time favorite albums, and I think Don really pushed the buttons of what we, as the listeners, perceive as music and how we think about music in general - no matter if we like the damn thing or not. i also find Pollock´s work to be brilliant, but hey - as this thread clearly shows, art is subjective 
|
|
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
|
 |
The Neck Romancer
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 01 2010
Location: Brazil
Status: Offline
Points: 10185
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 17:45 |
|
It's spiritually dangerous to hear an entire Metheny album.
|
|
|
|
Triceratopsoil
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 03 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18016
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 17:44 |
Anyone ever heard any of Pat Metheny's albums? 
|
|
Negoba
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 24 2008
Location: Big Muddy
Status: Offline
Points: 5208
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 17:40 |
It seems like Zorn's explorations resonate with some folks.
I know I've overtalked this one already.
Anyone ever heard Pat Matheny's Avant album.....hehehehe.
|
|
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
|
|
Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 17:30 |
Negoba wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Negoba wrote:
What exactly makes this piece redeemable anyway? |
It's probably redeemable because people have different tastes than you.
|
Don't hide behind that.
Not everything is just a matter of taste and personal opinion.
Some of my work is better than other work, and I know it.
Some "avant" music is brilliant. Some is drek. The nature of avant tends to make for more misses because so much is risked. When you're way out on a limb, you're going to fall more frequently than when you're on the ground. |
Yes not everything is a matter of taste and personal opinion. Music is. Almost scientifically so. If you want an objective reason, I think provokes a strong emotional response in me.
|
|
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
|
|
Triceratopsoil
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 03 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18016
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 17:22 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
One more (sorry Triceratopsoil):
|
I really just like the first track (the Guapo one)
|
|
The_Jester
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 29 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 741
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:59 |
|
Chicago XIII: Chicago. Chicago was a great band but this is disco and I hate disco music.
|
|
La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle!
- Napoléon Bonaparte
|
|
ClemofNazareth
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk Researcher
Joined: August 17 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4659
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:53 |
One more (sorry Triceratopsoil):
|
|
"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
|
|
Negoba
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 24 2008
Location: Big Muddy
Status: Offline
Points: 5208
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:48 |
|
|
|
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
|
|
horsewithteeth11
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Kentucky
Status: Offline
Points: 24598
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:22 |
|
|
|
|
|
Triceratopsoil
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 03 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18016
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:21 |
Negoba wrote:
spiritually dangerous |
|
|
The Truth
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 19 2009
Location: Kansas
Status: Offline
Points: 21795
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:17 |
|
|
|
|
|
harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 18 2008
Location: Anna Calvi
Status: Offline
Points: 22989
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:09 |
|
|
|
horsewithteeth11
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Kentucky
Status: Offline
Points: 24598
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:07 |
Padraic wrote:
Pure Reason Revolution - The Dark Third
|
I absolutely adore PRR. 
|
|
|
|
Negoba
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 24 2008
Location: Big Muddy
Status: Offline
Points: 5208
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 16:00 |
Sheavy wrote:
Sorry Negoba, but, that album does not cause the listener physical pain. If you want to listen to something that causes physical pain, then get that Aube cd that Conor did a review on, or get some later works by Ryoji Ikeda.
That album is DISTURBING on many levels, but physical pain? no. |
Part of me is interested just for curiosity's sake. We'll see. So much music, only one lifetime.
|
|
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
|
|
Negoba
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 24 2008
Location: Big Muddy
Status: Offline
Points: 5208
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 15:59 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Negoba wrote:
I've never claimed "objective truth" but I have claimed some degree of a right to opinion based on researching the song, multiple careful listens, listens to alternate takes, and by comparison to related artists including other work by the Zorn and Naked City.
I may have presented my moral belief as fact that torturing a human being in the most prolonged and painful way one can imagine as being a bad thing. |
Yeah, you are pretty much claiming objective truth all to yourself. Plus, implying moral dificiencies on the part of those who like music you asses as bad and imoral must be one of the lamest things I've ever seen on PA. 
|
Zorn is exploring spiritually dangerous territory. I don't think he's bad or immoral for doing so. I did not say anyone was "morally deficient" for listening as his attempt to express his explorations in hell.
But feel free to launch smilies at me all you want. We lame-o's love little yellow circles.
|
|
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
|
|
Sheavy
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 28 2010
Location: Alabama
Status: Offline
Points: 2866
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 15:41 |
Sorry Negoba, but, that album does not cause the listener physical pain. If you want to listen to something that causes physical pain, then get that Aube cd that Conor did a review on, or get some later works by Ryoji Ikeda. That album is DISTURBING on many levels, but physical pain? no.
Edited by Sheavy - July 06 2011 at 15:47
|
|
|
|
The Truth
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 19 2009
Location: Kansas
Status: Offline
Points: 21795
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 15:16 |
Slaughternalia wrote:
In the same way some who's favourite painter is Jackson Pollack is "deep". It kind of pisses me off when people try to pass Beefheart for a "genius" or something for playing some retarded sounding blues rock. |
I like Beefheart and never look at his music as deep or genius but calling his music retarded-sounding is a little offensive. He did put alot of work into the record and some like it, some don't, simple as that. RIP Don Van Vilet.
|
|
|
|
harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 18 2008
Location: Anna Calvi
Status: Offline
Points: 22989
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 15:09 |
Negoba wrote:
I've never claimed "objective truth" but I have claimed some degree of a right to opinion based on researching the song, multiple careful listens, listens to alternate takes, and by comparison to related artists including other work by the Zorn and Naked City.
I may have presented my moral belief as fact that torturing a human being in the most prolonged and painful way one can imagine as being a bad thing. |
Yeah, you are pretty much claiming objective truth all to yourself. Plus, implying moral dificiencies on the part of those who like music you asses as bad and imoral must be one of the lamest things I've ever seen on PA.
|
|
Negoba
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 24 2008
Location: Big Muddy
Status: Offline
Points: 5208
|
Posted: July 06 2011 at 15:03 |
I've never claimed "objective truth" but I have claimed some degree of a right to opinion based on researching the song, multiple careful listens, listens to alternate takes, and by comparison to related artists including other work by the Zorn and Naked City.
I may have presented my moral belief as fact that torturing a human being in the most prolonged and painful way one can imagine as being a bad thing.
|
|
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Worst Albums On PA?
