Thoughts on my taste?

Let's get this straight now. Orchestrations do not equal prog.

Edited by Snow Dog - April 17 2011 at 04:19

I wanted to revisit some topics that I missed or at the time didn't think was worth responding to...

Two questions for Saperlipopette! re:

Saperlipopette! wrote: BBtw: Is Dan Brown a better author than Marcel Proust? More people read his books.

Question 1: Pretentious much? I'm sure that this forum is full of people who have read Proust's entire works multiple times...5-7 times was the figure mentioned here as de rigueur.

Question 2: Gosh...it's just soooo hard to think what the answer to your question is...really...despite it being implied in your phrasing...I'll go out on a limb and say "Proust"? That's what I SHOULD say, yeah? So, you're superiority complex rests on having read Proust (nah...just being able to name drop, I'm guessing)...how many forum members have read him? I refuse to take them seriously until they have read Proust's entire works!...between 5 and 7 times. That should be soooo enjoyable for them...like a 4 hour Phil Collins drum solo.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Here's a few reasons your comments are funny: With your logic Frank Sinatra, Edit Piaf... just about anyone... should qualify as prog because they also have orchestral arrangements.

Actually, I thought that a LOOSE definition of "prog" WOULD entail orchestral treatments by modern bands...even pop-rock groups. That's why I wondered why The Beatles'  "Magical mystery tour" wasn't considered prog. So, to think of support for this argument I looked at something even more extreme...The Electric Light Orchestra...if you go to their Wikipedia entry, in the right hand inset, you'll find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Light_Orchestra

Genres Rock, progressive rock, symphonic rock

So, yeah, you find humour in what I say, yet what I say has SUPPORT on WIkipedia...maybe Wikipedia doesn't agree with me Magical Mystery Tour, but it's an EASY extension to that album, if you consider ELO progressive...on my view, orchestral arrangements DO make for "prog" music. If you want to get philosophical (um...don't give yourself a stroke if you find that hard), you can argue where that line is drawn...according to Wikipedia, that line must include ELO as part of prog. That's cool by me. Personally I feel that some Beatles' material is classifiable as "prog".

VanVanVan wrote: Also, I wouldn't really call ITCOTCK "poppy," but that's just me, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

"The court of the crimson king" (I'm talking about the song, not the album) has a simple melody. It has a chorus. So, when I think of pop, that often entails attributes such as being simple, melodic and having a chorus. TCOTCK ticks all these boxes for me. It's a catchy pop song. So, being true to the sentiments of this board, you'd have to say that it's not 'real' prog...real prog isn't catchy. Real prog isn't memorable. Real prog isn't the kind of stuff that you actually want to listen to. Sorry. My bad for mentioning that song.

Haven't really gone through latest replies...just revisiting stuff from before. Some guy sent me a PM...too embarrassed to post it here? Why? I don't bite. Unless you come with the attitude that I MUST like the songs. There seems to be a lot of guff in the replies...stuff that only Henry would reference...quoting, in fact. I might have a look for later posts next time I'm in.

Back to the Dead Zone comment...

Why I think that:

1 - Mainstream radio doesn't really play a LOT of music from this period. I'm saying that if you looked at the top 40 charts from this period that OFTEN you'd get very LITTLE of stuff that you'd want to hear. Mainstream radio is A measure of the worth of popular music. They play music BEFORE this period and AFTER this period...it's a small number, it seems to me, of songs that get played from The Dead Zone.

2 - Of the prog that I've heard, there is very LITTLE that I think DEMANDS to be listened to. I can't honestly say "Gosh, it's a CRIME that this song is NOT played today!".

That's my EVIDENCE for my contention...a SUBJECTIVE element (I don't LOVE a lot music from this period) and an OBJECTIVE element ('classic' format stations don't play a lot of this music)...the latter implying that MOST people agree with my view...otherwise there would be a DEMAND from people to hear this music and the stations would not turn their nose up at making money from them by playing it.

TheGazzardian - Never said you called me a troll. If people call me a troll because they think my taste in music sucks, then by that logic you should be called a troll because most of your list was dismissed as rubbish. re Midnight Oil - I rate them higher than any American act and higher than Zep and the Stones. I agree with you about them having greater albums than Red Sails, but maybe Red Sails is arguably their greatest album...a lost classic, if you will. I didn't include their other albums due to them being more straight up pop-rock. Maybe "Place without a postcard" MIGHT find a place on my RYM list...if I added that, then I'd have to include Led Zeppelin III, I think...for the same kind of reason...and I've got Neutral Milk Hotel in my list, so maybe they should be included too.

dfle3 wrote: As for my Dead Zone comment...well, I personally don't rate albums like "Let it bleed" at all, and don't find Zeppelin albums other that IV to be particularly great...they're alright. But hey, you're view is the right view yeah? You're a 10th dan Thetan because you like prog, yeah? I really don't think that liking prog makes you smart. And listening to prog will not make you smart. I get the feeling that people on this board think the opposite.

Logan wrote:  The Gazzardian seems to be the only one to understand what I was talking about based on posts here, and it was not a criticism of his post but it did relate to points he was mentioning before he edited (it was because of his post that I started to read the thread).  He is nice, and intelligent to boot.

Edited by TheGazzardian - April 15 2011 at 22:17

See? He doesn't like Trout Mask. Ludicrous!

Thanks Dean.

The Velvets definitely, and Television. I love Wire but not for PA. Could do with some Magazine.

 

Logan wrote: The Gazzardian  understands perfectly well what I was talking about.

 I understand well enough, I just thought a couple of points were worth clarifying. Did I speak out of turn? 

Logan wrote: See his last post (did you read it?)

 As I said above, I have followed the thread. 

Logan wrote: Please read the first page to see which posts I thought out of line:

 Yeah, I get it. I really do.

TheGazzardian wrote: Logan - given your comment I read the first page of this topic again and agree that the OP can't be held fully accountable for how things have gotten out of hand here. I think no one is blameless, some of the OPs comments have been inflammatory as anything else said in this topic and I think that's why things have continued. But you are correct, he was accused of trolling unreasonably off the bat. A bit sad really that it has come to this, so much mud slinging on each side. I mean, it's just music, guys!

Logan wrote: The Gazzardian seems to be the only one to understand what I was talking about based on posts here,

 

Logan wrote: ]and it was not a criticism of his post but it did relate to points he was mentioning before he edited (it was because of his post that I started to read the thread).  He is nice, and intelligent to boot.

 

The world would be a better place if we could all just listen to JET NOISE. LOUD LOUD LOUD JET NOISE.

Logan wrote: I wasn't even talking about you or to you, and it was in response to the post before mine.

Logan wrote: I wasn't even talking about you or to you, and it was in response to the post before mine.