Is Pop Music Innovative Or Good Anymore?

^All I've ever heard from Cooper, from his old classics like school's out to newer like poison, is rather mundane rock, simple, ultra-simple actually, with little ornamentation, little in the way of arrangements. I really, seriously, honestly think Gaga's pop music is much better in its style than Cooper's rock is. 

^^ Apparently he was good in his first years. Knowing The Scorpions for example, I can see that. 

Edited by harmonium.ro - February 02 2011 at 11:28

And by the way since when did ALICE COOPER become the standard-bearer for quality music? Last time I heard his songs are rather simple rock songs, no more complex in harmony or structure than Lady Gaga's song, but with much, much poorer melody. 

Proletariat wrote: ... so your saying because they get publicity... and the publicity is not about their music then they are automatically bad? how is that different from not getting publicity at all? and why would that matter?

No, publicity itself doesn't invalidate an artist. Alice Cooper made lots of publicity stunts in the 70s, like blocking a street in London with a truck carrying a gig's announcement.  But Alice Cooper had an amazing piece of work backing him up, really groundbreaking material. Gosh, even Billy Idol had good music to back him up!

But Lady Gaga never makes the headlines because of her music, but because he played a gig naked, or went to a party in a meat-dress etc. You don't have people discussing her music, her lyrics. And as I said before, these artists are disposable and with limited shelf life.

Where are MC Hammer, Puffy Daddy, Billy Ocean, Spice Girls, Five and dozens of others? These guys were making the headlines in their times, but they had only media and no quality to back them up. They are ghosts now.

overmatik wrote: Let's just put it this way: If you're true to your music and honestly believe in what you're doing, is the people who will define its pop-ability. Pink Floyd was at one time pop because people really enjoyed their music, but you never had PF conscientiously making music for the charts.  These so called artists nowadays use their music just as an instrument, and you don't see people seriously discussing Kanye's music, but only his public appearances and the garbage he speaks. And Lady Gaga, which only makes the headlines for the wrong reasons. Then you have Amy Whinehouse, Fergie etc... The list is endless. But I'll say it again, if you really can't see any difference between Alice Cooper and Lady Gaga then...

himtroy wrote: Pop music....no substantial worth....catchy...average musicians. Pop was never "good", it was just more tolerable before.  I'll take Ma Ma's and the Pa Pa's California Dreamin over this "music" I hear today.  It's absolutely horrible and could not lack more originality.  People like Lady Ga Ga, Fifty Cent, and all these other generic pop musicians care WAY more about they're image and if the news is following them than they do about music (which explains a lot).  It's disgusting

Negoba wrote: She has a Honky Tonk Padonkadonk???   Next you'll be telling me Today's Hot Country is art too. Then my head'll asplode.   Lady Gaga's history is pretty clear that she tried to make it on the music alone, it didn't work, so she went the crazy persona with crazy visual route. It worked. Her tunes are catchy. Savvy like Madonna.   But I'll listen to Prince when I'm the mood for 80's dance pop.

art is an antiquated term

T, I wasn't replying specifically to you, mostly I was replying to overmatic but didn't want to search for the initial post. And who dosn't love donk?

^I was not implying Lady Gaga is empty donk with no talent... I was saying quite literally that donk beats steve howe every time... for me. 

Equality 7-2521 wrote: overmatik wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I sense a dramatic change in the tone of your posts suddenly.  No change in tone whatsoever. The fact is that you guys were misreading what I was saying. I was telling you that Lady Gaga is garbage, and in this statement was implied the fact that she is garbage in my opinion. But for some reason you guys didn't seem to understand this. So here it is: Lady Gaga, Kesha, Justin Bieber, Fergie and Rhianna are all useless fabricated products with no talent whatsoever, personal opinion implied. Yeah but Gaga has a donk you gotta admit that.