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Personally, I thought that both bands were over rated by then and not worth the listen anymore ... and there was far better music out there than those two bands.
 
YES suffered badly from interpersonal garbage and I really feel that the music became an idea and not real anymore as it was at one time. GENESIS was just a pop band by that time with nice songs ... so what ... so does Kanye West and every other turkey out there today!
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I think that generally the Genesis albums of this period are more true to their Prog roots and therefore a more rewarding listen, when comared to the Yes offerings of the same period - save for Drama where the playing is just awesome!
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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Duke and Drama are really good albums IMO. Everything after that from both bands is completely awful, but the stuff from Genesis is even more disgusting. Mama, Abacab, and Invisible Touch are all unlistenable, but at least 90125 has some merit. 
 
Without looking and comparing album sales...I feel safe to say those "unlistenable" albums made them gobs of money....It may not fit your taste or your feeling of what Genesis and Yes should have been recording in the 80's.......But I doubt Fragile or Foxtrot would have sold anything close to 90125 and Invisible Touch.
IMO its good to look at and understand why a group may have done what they did......For me I appreciate the 70's stuff they did more because of the 80s stuff.
But that is just me, I don't get stuck on a time period.....I usually listen to everything an artist records.
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Overall, I prefer 80s Genesis....Duke, Genesis, Invisible Touch are well-crafted albums.
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Duke and Drama are really good albums IMO. Everything after that from both bands is completely awful, but the stuff from Genesis is even more disgusting. Mama, Abacab, and Invisible Touch are all unlistenable, but at least 90125 has some merit. 

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Its all good, all the 80's stuff....I have no problem with groups doing this. Since prog pop music pays them much more money than prog rock music will ever pay. This is their jobs of course and they have bills to pay also.....MTV made Genesis a lot of money...again no problem in my book. MTV probably made Yes a lot of money too.......good for them!!

90125 is a great album.....I can play it from start to finish and enjoy it all. I have Big Generator too.....but prefer 90125.
They both progressed from "prog rock" to "prog pop" to get some cushion money and establish a long chain of royalty checks with 90125 and Invisible Touch......
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Yes gets the credit for at least attempting to bring the prog/pop worlds together. 90125 had some very strong moments. Big Generator was revolting. Genesis had nothing for me once Hackett split.

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There are prog elements on even the poppiest Genesis 80s albums....just think of how many people were turned on to progressive rock by picking up Invisible Touch.  They see those awful videos on MTV, go out and buy the record and end up getting into Tonight or Domino.  80s Genesis was a stepping stone to progressive rock for a lot of people.  Same can be said of Yes' 90125, but Genesis sold far more records, thus touching far more people in the 80s than Yes. 

I prefer 80s Genesis....I think Duke and Abacab are exceptional records.  Not to sl*g off 80s Yes, but Drama, while a solid album, was the blueprint for Asia (ugh!) and GTR (double ugh!).
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Neither were as good as 80's Rush, who weren't half as good as 80's Kansas.


...who weren't half as good as 80's KC

Well yeah that goes without saying. Comparing anything to 80's KC is just unfair really.  (Including every other era of KC, but that's another thread.).

In terms of bands that weren't from another dimension, Power-era Kansas was probably the best 80's-era prog band.
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YES FOR SURE.
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Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Neither were as good as 80's Rush, who weren't half as good as 80's Kansas.


...who weren't half as good as 80's KC
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Neither were as good as 80's Rush, who weren't half as good as 80's Kansas.
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Duke and Drama are both excellent, and I still consider them prog albums rather than pop.
After that, Abacab is decent while I really love 90125, even if it's certainly much more pop it's some of the best pop ever made. Excluding Owner of a Lonely Heart, all the other tracks are great.
All the other albums from both bands in the 80's leave me quite cold.
My best appreciation goes to Yes, although it's probably because after that period they came back to making really good proggy music, while Genesis remained doing only good pop. 
 
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Yes gets the credit for at least attempting to bring the prog/pop worlds together. 90125 had some very strong moments. Big Generator was revolting. Genesis had nothing for me once Hackett split.
Ditto...ditto...ditto.  Well said...
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Ug.  I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I'd have to say Yes.  My Phil Collins hate is too deep to permit the alternative.
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They are even. They tell me nothing except Duke and Drama 
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Big Generator aside, I loved both of their output, although there is a health warning attached to that, in that I never regarded Drama as a true Yes album. And yes, I know, I am in a very small minority.

Hmmm...to each their own. I know many fans don't consider Drama a proper Yes album, as many do not consider Calling All Stations a proper Genesis album (always tricky with swapping out a lead vocalist isn't it).

I absolutely love Drama (the only ones I like better are The Yes Album, Fragile, Close To The Edge & Going For the One). I still can't appreciate Tormato which I think may be Yes' weakest effort. So for me Drama was a welcome turning point. In fact, I wonder why they didn't ask Trevor Horn back for the new studio album...let's hope Benoit David can fill those shoes.

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Yes just released 2 pop rock albums in the 80s, if they're good or not that depends on the listener, I enjoy them for what they are. Drama on the other hand is a superb Prog Rock album that is much different from their previous Prog efforts, it incorporates some New Wave sensibilities.
 
Genesis did release 4 pop albums which I wouldn't consider actually pop rock if not closer to the adult contemporary music of Phil Collins in some aspects. However, Duke is superb no doubt, a rather adventurous pop album with an underlying story and great keyboard playing. Abacab, Genesis and Invisible Touch featured catchy pop singles which some I enjoy, for example Mama, That's All, Abacab, Land of Confusion..
 
I didn't live in the 80s so I will just give my guess.. Genesis was more popular because they were more pop in the straightest sense, Yes had guitar riffs and maybe it wasn't the 80s pop style the masses liked as much as the more light-hearted Genesis pop with Collins vocals. 


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Big Generator aside, I loved both of their output, although there is a health warning attached to that, in that I never regarded Drama as a true Yes album. And yes, I know, I am in a very small minority.
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Yes gets the credit for at least attempting to bring the prog/pop worlds together. 90125 had some very strong moments. Big Generator was revolting. Genesis had nothing for me once Hackett split.


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