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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 02:56
The link between progressive rock and the hippi movement is very thin. The hippi movement had momementum till the end of the sixties, whilst prog's haydays were beginning of the seventies.

The word progression is often used when talking about 'becoming bigger, more intense, more extreme'. For instance, a progressive desease is a desease that only get's worse over a period of time. So, the rock music got bigger in all it's aspects. Technical (Gentle Giant), theatrical (Genesis), heavy and abstract(King Crimson) and melodic (all bands mentioned). Progressive in the political sense stands for renewing and change, which is also applicable for progressive rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 02:12
well all things rock could very well qualify under some measure as progressive, maybe being progressive means cohesive ensemble playing & production values & good soloing & good song writing or maybe just one of those criteria, i first heard the term progressive rock on wnew fm in nyc in the early 70s, the djs would regularly play anything from mahavishnu orch, yes, jethro tull, renaissance, but then even some odder things like 666 by Aphrodites Child - vangelis, but one could also argue in a way that some of the allman brothers longer songs actually fall into the progressive rock category quite nicely, a more radical definition would be the idea of a brother/sister duo where the sister actually sang lead and played the drums - you could call this progressive until you learn the identity of the duo - the carpenters! phillip glass could be called progressive classical. stereolab, coldplay, and radiohead also qualify to a certain degree, but i think it goes back to the criteria that works for me: cohesive ensemble playing, good production values, good soloing, good songwriting all working togetherStar
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 22:51
Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Also, are all of you guys... do you have proof, or memories of it being called progressive rock for these reasons? Or are you just guessing, cause that's that's what it's called.
 
You're stuck on the label........Just listen to the music and you will hear the "progressive" attributes come out. Listen to the first albums by the big 3, Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd (or any other group you prefer).....then go forward and you will hear what we hear and talk about.
 
I still hear it today when I go back myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 22:35
Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Also, are all of you guys... do you have proof, or memories of it being called progressive rock for these reasons? Or are you just guessing, cause that's that's what it's called.

Yes, I do and I will sell it to you cheap at the half the price.

Once upon a time there was dull music and interesting music and sometimes we called it art rock but we didn't waste time with labels.  There was good music and there was bad music.  There was good music that tried to persevere against the bad.  There was bad and good musicians that fizzled out.  I don't remember exactly when the really good stuff became referred to as progressive.  Seems like it just kind of happened.  Language is a virus.


Edited by Slartibartfast - October 01 2010 at 22:36
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 22:08
Also, are all of you guys... do you have proof, or memories of it being called progressive rock for these reasons? Or are you just guessing, cause that's that's what it's called.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 22:06
It goes beyond music that "progresses" but about music that progresses beyond many of the stagnant musical forms.  That is progress, from which the term progressive came from.  If you only think the Rush guitar riffs are progressive, you may need to explore more.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:57
...artists that go out of their way to mock pretentiousness, are they even MORE pretentious?

Face it, us proggers love that word!
Deep down we love (or hate to love) the pretentiousness!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:53
The whole idea behind progressive rock was to elevate rock music (aka 'popular' music) to a level of sophistication that could rival classical composition (as well as, in some circles, the Romanticist/Victorian literary canon).  The word 'progressive' was meant to posit that rock was 'progressing' into a valid form of timeless artistic expression. 

And proggies wonder why we're occasionally branded as pretentious? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:46
Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Its true llama.

We all know that all prog fans are old guys stuck in the 70's or young kids on drugs.

I love prog but haaaaate hippies Angry


Ok thank you for explaining it. I can die now. Oh wait... got tickets for the Roger Waters Concert... I can die after that. Also I love prog and love hippies. But am not a hippy. But would not mind being one.


Your avatar is a unicorn. I'm pretty sure you're a hippy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:41
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Its true llama.

We all know that all prog fans are old guys stuck in the 70's or young kids on drugs.

I love prog but haaaaate hippies Angry


Ok thank you for explaining it. I can die now. Oh wait... got tickets for the Roger Waters Concert... I can die after that. Also I love prog and love hippies. But am not a hippy. But would not mind being one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:35
Its true llama.

We all know that all prog fans are old guys stuck in the 70's or young kids on drugs.

I love prog but haaaaate hippies Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:32
It's called progressive rock because all the people who listen to it (like JJ up there^) are progressive, liberal hippies. (God I hate them.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:31
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

As far as I remember, when rock music started incorporating influences from other genres, like folk, jazz, classical, etc, people started saying that rock had "Progressed" beyond its boundaries, and the term progressive was used to define this music. It had nothing to do with the music progressing within itself, just stated the fact that it went beyond its limits. 
It's also important to remember that most all genres of music eventually do this, and we have progressive jazz, metal, rock, etc, so its more a tendency that happens when the artists get creative and want to push the limits a little (or a lot) further.  

Yeah, that was what I meant to say, except about 9001 times better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:27
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

As far as I remember, when rock music started incorporating influences from other genres, like folk, jazz, classical, etc, people started saying that rock had "Progressed" beyond its boundaries, and the term progressive was used to define this music. It had nothing to do with the music progressing within itself, just stated the fact that it went beyond its limits. 
It's also important to remember that most all genres of music eventually do this, and we have progressive jazz, metal, rock, etc, so its more a tendency that happens when the artists get creative and want to push the limits a little (or a lot) further.  


Exactly! Yes. That was a much better way of saying what I tried to LOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:21
As far as I remember, when rock music started incorporating influences from other genres, like folk, jazz, classical, etc, people started saying that rock had "Progressed" beyond its boundaries, and the term progressive was used to define this music. It had nothing to do with the music progressing within itself, just stated the fact that it went beyond its limits. 
It's also important to remember that most all genres of music eventually do this, and we have progressive jazz, metal, rock, etc, so its more a tendency that happens when the artists get creative and want to push the limits a little (or a lot) further.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:20
I used to agree that it had to "progress" but as you alluded to....that turned out to be quite narrow.

I see "progressive" music as anything that's different, challenging, out of the norm for its style etc

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:07
Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

00s prog =/= 70s prog

And that's probably because music has....well, progressed. While some of us don't think it's necessarily a good thing (here's looking at you Walter, ol' buddy Wink).

Seriously though, since you said "progressive rock", I'm going to assume you mean artists that have progressed music in some way. Was that a cliche enough answer? Tongue


No, I mean classic prog. I mean, I've read the backs Yes albums wherecall themselves Prog! (90125 for example)

Well, that was a pop album, but they were one of the dominant prog bands of the 70s so I guess they were still running with that tag to sell more albums? I don't know.

Plus, the majority of bands that try to directly copy 70s prog tend to be retro bands anyway. Prog still exists, it just sounds nothing like 70s prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:04
Its called Progressive Rock cause the songs get progressively longer and cause this website says so...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:04
90125 was a pop rock album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 21:00
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

00s prog =/= 70s prog

And that's probably because music has....well, progressed. While some of us don't think it's necessarily a good thing (here's looking at you Walter, ol' buddy Wink).

Seriously though, since you said "progressive rock", I'm going to assume you mean artists that have progressed music in some way. Was that a cliche enough answer? Tongue


No, I mean classic prog. I mean, I've read the backs Yes albums wherecall themselves Prog! (90125 for example)
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