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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 11:35 |
JJLehto wrote:
I was gunna say....come to NYC or the metro area and have some great Italian food but looks like Dean is pretty settled in his opinion.
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So whose Italian do yo like better NY or NJ's?
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 11:32 |
I was gunna say....come to NYC or the metro area and have some great Italian food but looks like Dean is pretty settled in his opinion.
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Dean
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 06:15 |
Atavachron wrote:
wow, the Great Dean Pizza Rant of 2010 -- sounds like you've had it bad. Having eaten 'Italian' and 'American' food in Britain, I sympathize. Come to NY or SF and have some real pie .. but yeah, there's sad excuses for pizza everywhere
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I have eaten a pizza in Italy (once) and it was equally as disappointing and I have eaten pizza in SF that failed to impress (ate some great seafood though). I've never visited NY, but on my many trips to Texas the plethora of excellent mexican, texican and cajun restaurants push the pizza-parlour way down the list of places I'd choose to eat.
The call "Let's go out for pizza" always makes my heart sink into despair, but I will order calzone in the rare instances that it appears on a menu, even if it is impossible to eat a whole one and the "crust" remains uneaten on my plate.
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 05:17 |
wow, the Great Dean Pizza Rant of 2010 -- sounds like you've had it bad. Having eaten 'Italian' and 'American' food in Britain, I sympathize. Come to NY or SF and have some real pie .. but yeah, there's sad excuses for pizza everywhere
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Dean
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 05:05 |
aginor wrote:
^ I tend to see both pasta and pizza as food made by geniuses for a purpose that you can have anything your imgaintation and knowledge desires to make a good sauce, be it bolognaise, carbonara, napoli, seafood, tuna, anchovies, plain pasta with pesto, or maccaroni n cheese and sousages, tomato sauce, garlic and black pepper. |
Even if I live forever I will never understand macaroni cheese - aside from being dullness incarnate - why only macaroni, why not any other pasta? - why is the dish defined by the shape that the flour and water dough has been formed into? And don't give me that different pasta's hold the sauce differently rubbish - why not penne'n'cheese or cavatappi'n'cheese? There is nothing genius about boiled flour and water paste.
aginor wrote:
Pizzas the same, you can simply put annything tasty on it (it have to be some logic), the best one are those made in a stone owen, I realy like pizzas with scampi, anchovies, olivs, or hawiian, mexicana ![Wink Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) |
In an Italian restaurant in London I once ordered a sea-food pizza and it was served shell-on - I've never seen anything quite so ![Censored Censored](smileys/smiley35.gif) ridiculous as prawns, clams and mussels cooked in their shells on a pizza covered in tomato sauce and melted cheese - yes, that's the work of a genius, when any fool can make pizza but it takes special skill and effort to f ![Censored Censored](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif) k it up so badly that you can't physically eat it.
Another occasion in another restaurant in another town I ordered mexican hot pizza - when it was served there was three tiny pieces of pepperoni and not a jalapeños pepper in sight. It was only on taking the first bite I discovered that they had covered the topping in a tablespoonful of raw chili powder. When I complained to the owner he told me that if I couldn't handle hot food I shouldn't have ordered it - I told him the heat wasn't the problem and that if he had used fresh or preserved jalapeños or flaked chili or chili oil there wouldn't have been a problem but raw chili powder that hasn't "cooked-through" was simply unpleasant to eat to the point of being inedible and if he couldn't serve-up something as simple as cheese on toast with tree miserable slices of pepperoni without screwing it up he shouldn't be in business. I then asked him to try a fork-full of my pizza, at first he refused but I insisted - I don't think he chewed and I'm certain he didn't swallow, but his face went scarlet and tears welled in his eyes - he quickly took my plate away and stormed off to the kitchen, returning 10 minutes later with a fresh pizza covered in pepperoni, apologising that they had run out of jalapeños and that the chef had made a mistake in putting chili powder on the pizza.
Pizza is the only food where people reguarily don't clear the plate and no one hardly ever wants the last slice. And quite why people ask for a doggy-bag to take home their half-eaten pizza is beyond my comprehension.
No, pizza is not the work of genius, its lazy food, lazily prepared and lazily cooked for lazy people - it contains no imagination, flair or finess - at best it is a snack food, but other nations do starch-based snack food so much better, even the style over substance of sushi and sashimi (which is all too often served too cold to actually taste anything) or the brute-force of a burrito.
The Italians are great cooks and produce some excellent food, but pizza and pasta don't figure on my list of great Italian meals.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 21:32 |
thellama73 wrote:
Well, when I was in Italy I had some of the best food of my life, but here in the States I far prefer Mexican food.
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What's really interesting is debt that Italian owes to Mexican in terms of vegetable ingredients. ![Big smile Big smile](smileys/smiley4.gif) We have lots of great Taquerías in our area, Tex-Mex, Peruvian, etc. Oddly enough, good Italian has largely vanished. Screw it, sometime you just have to make it yourself. ![LOL LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 21:30 |
Well, when I was in Italy I had some of the best food of my life, but here in the States I far prefer Mexican food.
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 21:21 |
LinusW wrote:
Like both, but far from equally...Italian food is just paradise.
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 21:20 |
Love both But the Italian in me can never go against Italian food!
It is my favorite type of food, I could live off that stuff. Mexican is great though.
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Falx
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 21:18 |
Italian. I prefer Spanish to Mexican.
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jammun
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 14:09 |
Mexican. I could (and sometimes do) live on tortillas, cheese, avocados, jalapenos, salsa, and tequila for weeks at a time.
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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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spookytooth
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 13:52 |
I don't really like Mexican food that much (yeah, I'm one of those people). Gotta go with Italian on this one.
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The Truth
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 13:34 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
real mexican food is some of the most awesome food ever |
Exactly, luckily the town I live in has great Mexican food although it's small.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 13:20 |
real mexican food is some of the most awesome food ever
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 13:04 |
Love Indian, and Vietnamese too.
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 12:59 |
I agree, variety is the key. I could not stand eating just one or two types of food. Anyone else really into Indian food?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 12:53 |
Thanks for the totally indecisive option in your poll. When it comes to the world cuisines, I am just happy for all the variety, and that I can eat many of them out (no joking) ![Tongue Tongue](smileys/smiley17.gif) in my area, and get the ingredients at local farmers markets.
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Drew
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 12:49 |
I like spending less time on the toilet so.............
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 18 2010 at 12:25 |
Finnforest wrote:
Both about equally. Mexican raises hell with my stomach though, so I have to tread carefully. Heartburn sucks.
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This. I love both, but I'm never without Rennie tablets!
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