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rogerthat
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:43 |
Catcher10 wrote:
I'm not sure how much sense this makes......Maiden crawled out of the bowels of hell across the pond, they were fighting the punk movement at its height in the UK, kept on the straight and narrow and came out smelling like a rose, as the punk scene died. There isn't a radio station that would play their music for fear of getting license pulled.......since they were devil worshipers and all....That's innovation and a warrior.
If you watch any of the biography shows on Metallica, their early days were all about how much booze they could get into their bodies 24/7...A complete waste, and you could see the Hetfield godlike attitude just growing..within himself only..Yea they were good...but after a few albums they succumbed to the all mighty $$ and went the route of pop rock/metal and MTV, any talent stopped there...Now they live on their past success and there isn't anyone who wants to hear new music performed..only the old stuff...pre pop rock/metal. |
You are talking about attitude while my comment was about the music. Not surprised it doesn't make sense to you.
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 15:00 |
I'm not sure how much sense this makes......Maiden crawled out of the bowels of hell across the pond, they were fighting the punk movement at its height in the UK, kept on the straight and narrow and came out smelling like a rose, as the punk scene died. There isn't a radio station that would play their music for fear of getting license pulled.......since they were devil worshipers and all....That's innovation and a warrior.
If you watch any of the biography shows on Metallica, their early days were all about how much booze they could get into their bodies 24/7...A complete waste, and you could see the Hetfield godlike attitude just growing..within himself only..Yea they were good...but after a few albums they succumbed to the all mighty $$ and went the route of pop rock/metal and MTV, any talent stopped there...Now they live on their past success and there isn't anyone who wants to hear new music performed..only the old stuff...pre pop rock/metal.
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 13:50 |
UP THE IRONS
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 08:27 |
Gandalff wrote:
I have to reveal a secret: I´m neither Iron Maiden or Metallica fan. I´ve liked Iron Maiden 25 years ago until Piece of Mind. I think Paul di Anno era was more raw and harder than Dickinson era. Their last release Final Frontier seems to be a return to roots.
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Final Frontier a return to roots?! What roots are those? It's the same sound they've had since Bruce and Adrian returned.
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Gandalff
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Posted: September 08 2010 at 05:44 |
I have to reveal a secret: I´m neither Iron Maiden or Metallica fan. I´ve liked Iron Maiden 25 years ago until Piece of Mind. I think Paul di Anno era was more raw and harder than Dickinson era. Their last release Final Frontier seems to be a return to roots.
On the other hand Metallica never wasn´t my cup of tea. I know them only from radio or from my friends´records. Thrash metal, good quality, but not interesting for me...
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 05:03 |
Pekka wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Metallica songs all SOUND THE SAME!!!!! ... Metallica guitar riffs are the same throughout their collection |
Seems you haven't heard very many of them. |
Indeed, if anything, I would say Maiden's work can get rather similar-sounding. Maiden is winning quite comfortably, seems consistency always wins the day over brilliance, as much as I go the other way. Maiden at their best were a variation on a style essentially pioneered by Judas Priest. Metallica expanded the frontiers of thrash even when it was still a fledgling genre. Ride the Lightning is amazingly ambitious for a thrash metal album and so is MOP, they were taking risks at levels not many in the metal scene then were prepared to. But of course, metal celebrates 'true' warriors rather than innovators.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:39 |
I like both, I used to like Metallica more, but now days its Iron Maiden that gets the vote, looking forward listening to the new album soon!
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Posted: September 04 2010 at 19:10 |
So, I have to reveal a fact that I´m not huge fan of neither Iron Maiden or Metallica. That´s a trial only...
Edited by Gandalff - September 04 2010 at 19:12
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Posted: September 04 2010 at 18:11 |
maiden easy
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Pekka
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Posted: September 04 2010 at 03:36 |
It's interesting that pretty much everything you think is minus I find to be a plus.
halabalushindigus wrote:
watching Metallica in Concert, I noticed several things that alarmed me;
Hetfield won't shut up vocally, spitting into the mike and his guitar [playing literally drowns out Hemmet
Can't figure out what's the problem with the first one, he sings the lines he's written and the spitting is mostly the mic's problem. Hammett's main contribution to the band are the solos, and doubling Hetfield's rhythm parts. I hear the solos and the harmonies here and there, and it's pretty damn hard to tell which guitar is louder in the rhythm parts..
There are no vocal harmonies
They had more when Jason was in the band, because he could actually sing. There's still some, but yeah, they lost a great live performer in Jason. Now I prefer no vocal harmonies to messed up vocal harmonies.
Lars doesn't say a word and has no Drum solo, yet the Bass player has a solo, but at ten minutes into the set, I can't figure out for the life of me WHY?
Because Rob has the ability to perform at least a remotely interesting solo. The bass solo you're referring to is probably the intro to For Whom the Bell Tolls, it's not really a solo per se. But he did a proper solo when I saw them in 2007 and it was pretty good. I'm a big fan of Metallica, but I can admit that Lars is not in the form to do a solo. He's struggling enough with the actual songs. And he always talks to the audience at the end of the set, which I think is enough. I could well do without Kirk's solos in between songs, but they serve the purpose of filling the silence when the others change instruments. He did do a great little solo piece called Melbourne on the St. Anger tour, it was a composed little clean guitar thing, very pretty. Rob is clearly the most interesting soloist in the band.
There are no choreographed band foot movements ...there's not a lot of visual or sonic fun
Thank heavens for no choreography, I've always found the synchronized axe attack very silly looking. And Metallica has had some massive stage shows (the 1996 tour stage destruction for example), but nowadays they prefer to stick with the music, which is good.
Im thinking they could add harmonies, all three stand to gether and harmonize at some point, ditch the bass solo and most of all,,turn Hetfields guitar down and let's hear Kirk's guitar for like 20 seconds for once...not too much too ask....and finally do something weird or nice like play "Yellow Submarine" as a joke and get "friendly" |
To each his own. I love seeing both bands live, but listening to the Metallica shows afterwards is sometimes less enjoyable. They are sloppy, but their stage show is always killer, and you don't really listen to the mistakes in the moment.
Edited by Pekka - September 04 2010 at 03:38
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Posted: September 03 2010 at 15:15 |
halabalushindigus wrote:
watching Metallica in Concert, I noticed several things that alarmed me;
Hetfield won't shut up vocally, spitting into the mike and his guitar [playing literally drowns out Hemmet
There are no vocal harmonies
Lars doesn't say a word and has no Drum solo, yet the Bass player has a solo, but at ten minutes into the set, I can't figure out for the life of me WHY?
There are no choreographed band foot movements ...there's not a lot of visual or sonic fun
Im thinking they could add harmonies, all three stand to gether and harmonize at some point, ditch the bass solo and most of all,,turn Hetfields guitar down and let's hear Kirk's guitar for like 20 seconds for once...not too much too ask....and finally do something weird or nice like play "Yellow Submarine" as a joke and get "friendly" |
Are you kidding?? Hetfield give someone else in the band the chance for a spotlight...I seriously doubt that.
Again, I don't dislike Metallica from an influencial standpoint, artistically I think they fall way short though, sounds like on stage also they fall short.
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: September 03 2010 at 10:32 |
watching Metallica in Concert, I noticed several things that alarmed me;
Hetfield won't shut up vocally, spitting into the mike and his guitar [playing literally drowns out Hemmet
There are no vocal harmonies
Lars doesn't say a word and has no Drum solo, yet the Bass player has a solo, but at ten minutes into the set, I can't figure out for the life of me WHY?
There are no choreographed band foot movements ...there's not a lot of visual or sonic fun
Im thinking they could add harmonies, all three stand to gether and harmonize at some point, ditch the bass solo and most of all,,turn Hetfields guitar down and let's hear Kirk's guitar for like 20 seconds for once...not too much too ask....and finally do something weird or nice like play "Yellow Submarine" as a joke and get "friendly"
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Posted: September 03 2010 at 09:22 |
Iron Maiden - they never went as downhill as Metallica went with Reload and St Anger; even their Virtual XI (which i consider as their least inspired work) is better than those two albums. Maiden's commercial succes did not rely on a sell out album as The Black album was (although it is not a bad album at all).
And Maiden's last album is miles better IMO than Metallica's last.
Am I making any sense? I haven't finished my morning coffee.
Edited by Cristi - September 03 2010 at 10:48
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Posted: September 02 2010 at 14:57 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Metallica songs all SOUND THE SAME!!!!! ... Metallica guitar riffs are the same throughout their collection |
Seems you haven't heard very many of them.
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Posted: September 02 2010 at 13:09 |
John 6 wrote:
Never got Maiden, and completely fail to understand why they are so popular. Metallica are far more impressive, although I am not a lover of their thrash period. Maiden, in my opinion produce the same old boring drivel, album after album. Metallica, however, are more in the classic rock mould, in the spirit of Sabbath. And the next kid I see wearing a Maiden t-shirt, thinking they are unique, and have a vast knowledge of rock music, but really know bugger all, I swear I'll do something I regret!! |
I was trying to be nice.....Metallica songs all SOUND THE SAME!!!!! Really compare Metallica to Sabbath, "in the spirit of Sabbath"....I would never do that, it makes no sense. Metallica guitar riffs are the same throughout their collection...I guess that could be impressive to make that accomplishment. Other than "One" I don't understand or get the rest of what Metallica sing/write about...ohh wait they did make a song for that movie series Mission Impossible...impressive for sure.
As for the shirts.......I can't tell you the last time I saw anyone wearing a Metallica shirt.
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Posted: September 02 2010 at 12:58 |
Run To The Hills...Run for your Life
Maiden
I'll take hills over never neverland. I think Iron M is a much more talented group with massive stage hands as opposed to Metallica, who is run by the one-man show, a guy who refuses any type of performance instruction, and wants to do it the way HE wants to do it. Hetfield, IMO, he keeps the Band at an above amatuer level and nothing more
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Posted: September 02 2010 at 11:09 |
Maiden have been more consistent but Metallica at their best were far more interesting than most metal bands this side of Sabbath, so Metallica!
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Posted: September 02 2010 at 08:46 |
Maiden
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Posted: September 02 2010 at 07:34 |
Metallica
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Posted: September 02 2010 at 01:19 |
Metallica, only for that bass sound.
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