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JLocke
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 13:04 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
In first place, I can afford it (Even whenI admit it's expensive), but I must be honest, I seen Blu Ray with LXCD and the doifference is not worth changing everything, at least for me.
Then you have bad eyesight. The difference is extraordinary when watching the same film next to itself, one on DVD and the other on BD. But like I said, if you don't think it's worth paying for on a personal level, I have no problem with that.
I don't consider myself an ignorant, but an LCD with a DVD and 5.1 Home Theater is more than enough for me, as somebody said before Enough is enough.
I'm even more 'behind' than you are in terms of television. See, I own a Plasma, because I prefer its brighter colors and darker black levels. Just because a lot of people tell me that LCD and LED are 'better' doesn't mean that's what I prefer to watch my films on.
I take it however that your LCD is at least 720p? You realize that the money you spent on it is going to waste if you're not watching Hi-Def imagery on it in the first place. That's kinda what TVs like that one are made for.
I won't change every item in my house each 2 months a new prduct hits the market, to make the owners of big companies richer, because thie doesn't end here, next month the LED would be obsolete and something better than the Blu Ray will be for us all to buy it.
Again, I find that statement to be incorrect. Blu-Ray is obviously catching on because it's become so affordable in such a short amount of time. That's a sign that it's worth investing in, in my opinion. Do you think 3D Television will get that affordable that quickly? Of course not. 3D TV is a gimmick; Blu-Ray and Hi-Definition is not. There is a difference, and I do wish people like yourself would be able to tell the difference between them rather than simply writing off everything as being pointless or money-making scams. Blu-Ray is here to stay for many years, my friend. As is the ability to stream Hi-Definition film and television straight to your PC/PlayStation/360/Apple TV/etc. and watch on your HDTV instantly. Welcome to the present.
As I did alwsys before this crazy race for technolñogy, will let my TV's and DVD's get useless because the pass of time and change them for soimething better when I have to do it, not when Sony, Samsung or Toshiba tell me to do it.
Iván
Well, some would argue that time is fast approaching already. Tube Televisions are no longer sold new in stores, Blu-Ray players are becoming more and more prominent, and PCs are now being packaged with Blu-Ray drives, so anything at all new that you buy for any reason will automatically upgrade you wether you like it or not; not because Sony told you to, but because the market naturally moved in that direction and you really have no other choice.
And then when the new holodecks come out, we'll both grumble and say that Blu-Ray is ''good enough'' for us. ![Wink Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 12:59 |
^ I still see a definite pattern here of downplaying the advantages of the new system and at the same time exaggerating the criticism (clearly video standards don't change every two months).
Of course you don't *have* to change your equipment, and as a matter of fact I'm not a so called early adopter myself. But the difference is striking. Isn't it odd that many of those who downplay the difference also happen to have a DVD system and probably a huge collection of DVDs, and simply maneuvered themselves into a position where they can't easily upgrade without losing much of their investment? But hey, even if you decide to upgrade your DVDs won't become useless. I still watch DVDs ... I simply now have a choice of watching films in HD when I want to (and/or when they're available).
My advice: Upgrade strategically. If you ever wanted to upgrade to blu-ray, now is the time ... full HD (1080p) displays are affordable, as are blu-ray players. Or if you have a computer, get yourself a cheap full HD computer display and a blu-ray drive - or combine your computer and TV and save some money from this synergy. Rent your discs rather than buying them, and you'll never have a problem - by the time we get another standard (probably more than 5 years from now, and more than likely it won't be physical discs anymore) your current gear will be sufficiently old to warrant an upgrade anyway. If you're not an early adopter, stay away from expensive 3D equipment until it's clear that it's not a fad.
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 10:21 |
JLocke wrote:
It's one thing to admit you cannot afford a superior product. It is quite another to downplay it and behave as if it's nothing more than a scam. I still remember when people around me were bitching about DVD players, and saying that VHS was 'good enough', and how DVD was just a fad and would die like LaserDisc. Well now those very same people consider DVD the norm and are once again dumbing down the significance of this new technology simply because they can't afford it yet.
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In first place, I can afford it (Even whenI admit it's expensive), but I must be honest, I seen Blu Ray with LCD and the difference is not worth changing everything, at least for me.
I don't consider myself an ignorant, but an LCD with a DVD and 5.1 Home Theater is more than enough for me, as somebody said before Enough is enough.
I won't change every item in my house each 2 months a new product hits the market, to make the owners of big companies richer, because thie doesn't end here, next month the LED would be obsolete and something better than the Blu Ray will be for us all to buy it.
As I did alwsys before this crazy race for technology, will let my TV's and DVD's get useless because the pass of time and change them for soimething better when I have to do it, not when Sony, Samsung or Toshiba tell me to do it.
Iván
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 10:18 |
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Apparently, this months Playboy Centerfold will be in 3-D too. Be careful or you might poke an eye out. ![Wink Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I'd be more afraid of a Playgirl 3D centerfold.
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 10:12 |
Apparently, this months Playboy Centerfold will be in 3-D too. Be careful or you might poke an eye out. ![Wink Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 09:56 |
3D is a great concept for computer games ... and maybe even for movies, *if* they're shot in 3D. Since most movies happen to have been shot in 2D, I would say that going for a 3D capable blu-ray player is silly if you're just going to watch movies. But on the other hand, if you're a big fan of Avatar, maybe it would make sense.
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 09:22 |
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 04:04 |
^ well, if you think that would be the same bang for your buck, go ahead.
*Sigh* these Logitech speakers (X-530) seem to be the most underrated piece of gear on the planet.
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 03:58 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ well, keep in mind that you don't need a separate
computer anymore, and that you probably would have gotten a LCD TV
either way.
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Why not just pop a used six dollar DVD into the 500 dollar laptop and listen to it on my
30 dollar stereo speakers? Seems to leave me with 2100 dollars for other things.
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 03:39 |
^ well, keep in mind that you don't need a separate computer anymore, and that you probably would have gotten a LCD TV either way.
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 03:34 |
2110 x 1.2699 = 2679.48 dollars
2680 dollars is affordable?
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 02:05 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
This guys also talks me of 50 incredible features that I don't understand or care about, he has reached the point where he has a PC in his living room, attached to the TV, I believe the guy is crazy.
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Same here ... I like the setup, and it's very affordable, too: - 40" LCD TV: 900 EUR - Computer with DVD/blu-ray drive, TV receiver and software: 1000 EUR - Logitech 5.1 system: 90 EUR - Studio grade sound card: 120 EUR There you go ... a wonderful setup for: - Watching DVD/blu-ray - Listening to music - Internet - Making music
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 23:28 |
thellama73 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
Before even looking at the poll results, I expected ignorance to win out.
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So anyone who is content with the already great picture quality of DVDs and would rather spend their money on other things besides re-purchasing a bunch of movies they already have is ignorant?
I could upgrade almost every product in my home and get better quality, but at some point you have to say "good enough!" and let it go. Not all of us are made of money.
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It's one thing to admit you cannot afford a superior product. It is quite another to downplay it and behave as if it's nothing more than a scam. I still remember when people around me were bitching about DVD players, and saying that VHS was 'good enough', and how DVD was just a fad and would die like LaserDisc. Well now those very same people consider DVD the norm and are once again dumbing down the significance of this new technology simply because they can't afford it yet.
I'm not saying you are one of those people. I'm speaking generally, here. If you recognize the superiority of hi-definition, yet admit that (at least for now) you are not willing to spend the money for it, then I have no problem with that. It's when certain people begin to trash talk the quality products that I get little annoyed. Some people will always hate Apple products unjustly, and some folks will always swear that Vinyl sounds better than CD. It's all absurd, but there it is. Saying you prefer something is very different from putting down anything else that you don't happen to utilize.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 13:54 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
If we were to follow the Ferrari analogy, then both formats would share the same market (with different marketshares of course) because, as with the Ferrari, there will be people who want/need/afford the Blu-Ray. I don't understand why people perceive this as a war between the two.
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Because there is: Blu-Ray's (and HDDVD's) ultimate goal is to replace DVDs and standard TVs in every house, just as DVD has replaced VHS. They don't even manufacture VHSs anymore, and they eventually want HDTV to be so cheap and omnipresent that buying a standard TV is like buying a black and white today. Of course, 3D TV has interrupted this scheme, but the executives I've read about have said that they realize it's not something people will want to do every day, so it's not quite the same drive to get everybody to pay to upgrade to the new technology. Also 3D TV is ludicrously expensive, while HDTVs are getting cheaper every day (if I cared about watching things on TV, I would say that $500 for a 22 inch HDTV is not unreasonable). I've made a personal commitment to never buy a 3DTV.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 13:17 |
A few years ago I was happy with my Sony VHS and Sony Trinitron TV, I even used the same remote control for the two....It was the Paradise
Then somebody came with the lasser disk, which I never bought, and as I thought (due to the size) it failed
After soe years came the DVD which due to it's small size and cheap price, I bought and I'm happy with it, after a couple months I bought a 5.1 Home Theater and it's paradise..
After that came the plasma TV which I bought (very expensive), for my luck it had a designing problem that the warranty covered it, but when I went to the store they told me that Plasma was crap and LCD was great plus cheaper, so I put a little bit of money and they gave two LCD for almost the prize of the Plasma (34 Inches each one).
Now they say that if you don't have a LED TV and a Blue Ray you're in the Stone Age, but already the newspaper talks about a 3D Led.
I have a close friend that buys this new gadgets when they appear, he bought a DVD in US$ 600.00 (I bought mine in US$ 75.00 six months later), he bought a Plasma in S/. 14,000.00 (US$ 5,000), I bought mine in S/. 6,000.00 (US$ 2.000) he already has a Led.and talks about the wonders of the Blue Ray in his led, wonders that I can't find to be honest.
This guys also talks me of 50 incredible features that I don't understand or care about, he has reached the point where he has a PC in his living room, attached to the TV, I believe the guy is crazy.
Please guys, I'm not a millionaire, I will stay with my DVD and LCD TV until they burn, I'm tired of supporting big companies who will change a chip in a TV and sell it as the best thing since slice bread.
Thefunny thing is that I was already happy with my VHS and Trinitron TV with a remote control that worked for both. ![LOL LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Iván
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:56 |
JLocke wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
rdtprog wrote:
When they will no new DVD available in stores, you'll see how much people will change their preferences to Blu Ray. It could take a lot of years, but it will be a new reality, like it or not. They're will be a new kind of Blu Ray, can't stop the technology...
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I don't know- throughout the years several superior technologies have been marketed to the public and have failed to catch on sufficiently enough to become the new standard media.
In fact, I only know one household that has upgraded to Blu-Ray.
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Add three more, then. 'Cause you know me.
Myself, my father and my uncle have all upgraded to Blu-Ray. ![Wink Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
In my case it was particularly easy ... 80 EUR for the new computer drive and another 90 EUR for the software.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:30 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible? |
DVD, for example, subdivides the american continent in two, north america (Zone 1) and south america (zone 4). With bluray, all the entire continent is region A. That's a good and reasonable change. But for European and asian and else releases, some modification you will still need. |
An insignificant change, since US consumers aren't exactly known for purchasing loads of Latin American films. However, there's a larger supply of material from Europe and Asia that does have demand in the States yet Blu-Ray failed to do anything. They could've gotten rid of the regional nonsense once and for all, but they didn't. Even less of a reason to switch...
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It makes a lot of sense for people who have to modify their players in south america to watch movies available in north america. Which, as you probably can guess, is the most likely scenario. Most movies are made in the US after all, whether they're mostly good or bad is another matter.
Regarding the "selling stuff you don't need" idea, I think, more so than bluray, the new 3D-TV thing is a waste of time and money. Again, I have to sell that sh*t but usually I only offer it when people ask me. I can't see any benefit in turning people into idiotic zombies with electronic glasses at home to see a hand reach out closer to their faces... Bluray was a leap in quality, 3D is a leap in zombiefication. |
Most movies sold in Latin America are pirated DVDs that sell for a dollar.
3D-TV? Never heard of it, though it sounds extremely naff.
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I know that. I lived in South America until 2005 after all. And in my country that piracy has pretty much been but legalized.
3D-TV is the "new" thing around here... And yes, it's sh*t. It looks amazing, but it's useless sh*t.
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:27 |
The T wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible? |
DVD, for example, subdivides the american continent in two, north america (Zone 1) and south america (zone 4). With bluray, all the entire continent is region A. That's a good and reasonable change. But for European and asian and else releases, some modification you will still need. |
An insignificant change, since US consumers aren't exactly known for purchasing loads of Latin American films. However, there's a larger supply of material from Europe and Asia that does have demand in the States yet Blu-Ray failed to do anything. They could've gotten rid of the regional nonsense once and for all, but they didn't. Even less of a reason to switch...
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It makes a lot of sense for people who have to modify their players in south america to watch movies available in north america. Which, as you probably can guess, is the most likely scenario. Most movies are made in the US after all, whether they're mostly good or bad is another matter.
Regarding the "selling stuff you don't need" idea, I think, more so than bluray, the new 3D-TV thing is a waste of time and money. Again, I have to sell that sh*t but usually I only offer it when people ask me. I can't see any benefit in turning people into idiotic zombies with electronic glasses at home to see a hand reach out closer to their faces... Bluray was a leap in quality, 3D is a leap in zombiefication. |
Most movies sold in Latin America are pirated DVDs that sell for a dollar. 3D-TV? Never heard of it, though it sounds extremely naff.
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WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible? |
DVD, for example, subdivides the american continent in two, north america (Zone 1) and south america (zone 4). With bluray, all the entire continent is region A. That's a good and reasonable change. But for European and asian and else releases, some modification you will still need. |
An insignificant change, since US consumers aren't exactly known for purchasing loads of Latin American films. However, there's a larger supply of material from Europe and Asia that does have demand in the States yet Blu-Ray failed to do anything. They could've gotten rid of the regional nonsense once and for all, but they didn't. Even less of a reason to switch...
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It makes a lot of sense for people who have to modify their players in south america to watch movies available in north america. Which, as you probably can guess, is the most likely scenario. Most movies are made in the US after all, whether they're mostly good or bad is another matter.
Regarding the "selling stuff you don't need" idea, I think, more so than bluray, the new 3D-TV thing is a waste of time and money. Again, I have to sell that sh*t but usually I only offer it when people ask me. I can't see any benefit in turning people into idiotic zombies with electronic glasses at home to see a hand reach out closer to their faces... Bluray was a leap in quality, 3D is a leap in zombiefication.
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