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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 02:50 | |
In one way it's true the whole thing has been blown out of proportion, but in another it was proof of the whole public/private face of politics; I dare say Cameron & Clegg could both have been caught out the same way, had they been in the same situation.
So far as timing is concerned though, this has got to go down as an all time classic faux-pas. In the event of a miracle occurring & Labour remaining in power this time next week, and if I were Brown, I wouldn't get too comfortable in number 10. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 02:23 | |
He seemed quite relaxed when talking to her, Jim. Obviously he wasn't though.
He also came across well and didn't alienate her (until afterwards, of course). I just think he felt it was "a disaster", when it wasn't. He personally wasn't expecting to speak to her and it was his advisers that threw her at him. However, yes, you're correct, he should be able to handle these situations better. |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 02:11 | |
Gordon Brown should have been used to this - that's the standard form of TV interviewing these days - on this showing, the lady concerned could have a bright future with the BBC |
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Zebedee
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:57 | |
Good point. I must confess that I'm not that well informed about the British electoral system but it seems to be quite bizarre. Anyway, as a social liberal I wouldn't mind permanent Lib Dem power.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:51 | |
It will be a Hung Parliament, yes.
However, a lot of young people (and I know a lot of them) are going to vote Lib Dem. That could be good for the future, I guess. If anyone has anything to gain from a Hung Parliament, it'll be the Lib Dems, especially if there's another election within a year. It's their chance to catch up! Although I'm a Socialist and would prefer a proper Labour party to be in power. Edited by James - April 29 2010 at 21:13 |
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Zebedee
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:48 | |
Probably some disillusioned old voters, but I can't see the Lib Dems winning these elections just yet. My bet is on a hung parliament.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:45 | |
Most British people didn't know anything about Clegg until recently. The only Clegg they knew was the on in Last of the Summer One.
I do like the guy and the Lib Dems have many policies I agree with. They're aiming at a younger audience, that's what they're hoping, anyhow. Can they get the older voters though? |
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Zebedee
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:44 | |
You forgot the Gaelic btw (and Britons were Celtic)
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Zebedee
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:42 | |
Yes, but apparently not in the eyes of least some British when they consider even someone like Nick Clegg to be non-British.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:40 | |
By the way, Michael Howard, the previous Tory leader isn't British either.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:36 | |
Don't forget the Walloons.
Many modern Britons are also descended from Polish, West Indian, Indian, Chinese and Filippino (plus a lot more besides). Oh and Celtic and Pictish. Edited by James - April 29 2010 at 20:38 |
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Zebedee
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:34 | |
And the typical Tory argument that Clegg is not 'British' is utter nonsense and even racist. Like being 25% English would make a bad leader. Besides that, the British themselves are a 'bast*rd' people of Britons, Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Frisians, Scandinavians, French and WALLOONS after all.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:27 | |
He speaks fluent English, German, Dutch and Spanish, apparently.
He also has Russian ancestry. |
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Zebedee
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:10 | |
Yes she is, and yet Clegg managed to impress me. I thought it was in an informal interview for the Dutch news, but I'm not sure. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:04 | |
His mother is Dutch, isn't she? When did he speak Dutch, anyhow? |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:04 | |
I wasn't really old enough then to fully appreciate the recession taking place. I am, however, fully aware of the current global recession. |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:03 | |
^ The French love him too... Just read a very Clegg oriented article in my favourite magazine.
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Zebedee
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:02 | |
On a side note, I was rather surprised when I discovered how flawless Nick Clegg's Dutch is. Not even a slight accent.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 20:02 | |
Both. |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 19:57 | |
^ What I meant was that there was already a (global, btw) recession, which helped them winning the elections.
Anyway. This is only slightly related, but nice: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/7654268/Political-posters-have-we-forgotten-how-to-read-images.html |
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