Question about George W Bush

As someone who served 10 years in the Marines and "chewed my fair share of dust", I find it laughable how you people make sweeping assumptions to support your opinions.

First and foremost, the men and women who serve are all volunteers, they are soldiers because they choose to be. If it's a case of "needing money for college", the U.S. has the most comprehensive and broad ranging programs for that purpose. Joining the Army is the hard way to getting college funding. 

Second, a career in the military is as honorable and noble an endevour as any "civilian" job. It's rather presumptious of you to put yourself above them.

Third, the armed forces report to the civilian goverment, in this case one that was elected by an eight million voter margin. That pretty much legitimizes it. As far as the "goverment telling them what to do", that's called taking orders. The military is not a democracy, you do what your told in an expeditious and efficacious manner.

Finally, I would appreciate if you "civilians" would cease talking about those of us who actually served in a less demeaning manner. You have a tendency to portray us as mindless, ignorant and with no prospects for the future. How did you guys get so smart, the air must be pretty good sitting on those lofty heights. Please do us a favor, stick to talking about prog music and let the men take care of business overseas. 

A solid portion of the military is made up of kids who either needed money for college, or had no other real choice for a career.  So, perhaps no one held a gun to their heads, but just because they're in the army doesnt mean they agree with the war.

Sorry, Mark, but that isn't entirely true. The soldiers in the field are CONTROLLED by the government. If they were part of the government, they would be able to have a say in what the government does, like most politicians do. I've got a friend who flew in from Iraq a while ago and he, along with most of the soldiers he worked with, despised Bush and his regime. Many soldiers don't agree with what we're doing in the Middle East right now, and yet, they're still there. The government doesn't care what the soldiers on the front have to say, because the government tells them what to do, and if they don't do it, it's considered to be treason. If these soldiers were truly part of the government, they would have a say in whether or not they should be fighting on the front at all. The soldiers are part of the military and the military is controlled by the government.

So, Campell, what you said was right, and seems to be the opinion of many other intelligent Americans that I've spoken to.

Peace,

Mike

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He's a terrible,
fascist, self-collapsing neutron star of hypocrisy.



Excellent.

He's a terrible, fascist, self-collapsing neutron star of hypocrisy. That nauseating fecal-dweller defines everything that is wrong with America, and if our people actually chose him (the election was more than likely rigged by that bastard and his God-fearing Christian buddies), I'm truly disgusted. If there is a God and if this God has a conscience, I think he'd be more concerned with smiting Bush than with guiding our country. This bastard commits murder in the name of "Democracy" and "God", and he's awarded another term of presidency. He may even reinstate the draft this time around.

Regarding Al Quaeda, I am a bit concerned with them, but the Bush Administration (as stated before) blows this threat out of proportion, inflicting fear on the most gullible and paranoid Americans in order to win votes.

It just goes to show that the majority of Americans (if Bush was rightfully elected) are extremely gullible, simple minded, and lacking in perspective and the ability to think critically.

DUHHHHHHHH! Congratu-f**king-lations, Bush supporters!

 

(By the way, I also don't think Kerry should ever be president)

nacho wrote: tuxon wrote: very bad report, badly written with preconceived findings, if one does a survey and an analysis, do it properly or don't. Can you be a little more explicit on this? I'm not an expert in that kind of research but I found it faultless... EDIT: where is your post???

If I may Nacho. I wasn't going to do this, but what the hell. I checked out the intelligence report (the public one) that's referred to there. They conveniently left out that fact that while evidence is inconclusive on any Iraq connection with Al Queda, the jury is more or less still out there on this. I believe myself there's no direct connection between the 2. But there have been a number of spottings of known Al Queda operatives in Iraq before the war. Sketchy but you just can't ignore it.

Also there is a current independent investigation on a connection between Saddam and the Oklahoma City bombing here. There's a book out called The 3rd Terrorist about this I haven't read yet. I heard it gives a pretty good arguement but I don't know how much water it will hold, but it will be interesting.




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"And I thought everybody loved me!!!Never mind i will find were are those bad people from and  i will send their countrie a nice present,yes i mean some troops and a nice war!"Georgy

Who could like this s.o.b.?I mean he is 100% disgusting though i think he is just a pawn!

abyssyinfinity wrote: I'm just returning from my last trip to Uranus and I have to ask you: Who's this man?

Some pictures here:

marktheshark wrote: nacho wrote: marktheshark wrote: Well, look at the insurgents we're fighting now. If they're not fundamentalist extremists, what are they? Their leader (what's name, I can't remember) came across the Syrian border a few years back and was treated with a broken leg in Saddam's palace. If you all are wondering about my background on these type of things, my dad was a 30 yr CIA official, I was in the Navy for 5 years and worked as a civilian at International Affairs Research Div at the Pentagon for 5 years. I got out the whole gov thing, not enough money and too much BS. Maybe I'm not a real expert but I would say I'm somewhat knowledgable on this. Oh, and yes I do watch the Fox News Channel. I've had too many discussions on the Iraq thing, so I prefer to back off. I'd only like to recommend you (all, but especially Fox-watching people) to read carefully this inform: http://www.americanassembler.com/issues/media/docs/Media_10_ 02_03_Report.pdf   For some reason my Adobe's not working right and not loading it. But I got a feeling this is another one of those right-wing media conspiracy indictments. As if I hadn't seen these before.

Yeah. I remember seeing pieces of this report in the newspaper. Doesn't really change my mind. I never thought Saddam was directly linked to 9-11 either. Or was working closely with them. Doesn't mean any of them haven't been there though. And can anybody look me in the eye (yes, I know you can't literally) and tell me Saddam is not a terrorist? As for the UN, well their own corruption speaks for itself.

I just think Bush has his priorities all out of whack. He goes ahead and puts us in there when we should continue to go after Bin Laden AND fix our borders here which are still wide open. You Euros got better border control than we do. Maybe we can learn something from you.

Enough! This has gone long enough! If you guys want to put in your last words on this and beat me up some more, have fun! I had mine. I love stirring up a hornets nest.

nacho wrote: marktheshark wrote: Well, look at the insurgents we're fighting now. If they're not fundamentalist extremists, what are they? Their leader (what's name, I can't remember) came across the Syrian border a few years back and was treated with a broken leg in Saddam's palace. If you all are wondering about my background on these type of things, my dad was a 30 yr CIA official, I was in the Navy for 5 years and worked as a civilian at International Affairs Research Div at the Pentagon for 5 years. I got out the whole gov thing, not enough money and too much BS. Maybe I'm not a real expert but I would say I'm somewhat knowledgable on this. Oh, and yes I do watch the Fox News Channel. I've had too many discussions on the Iraq thing, so I prefer to back off. I'd only like to recommend you (all, but especially Fox-watching people) to read carefully this inform: http://www.americanassembler.com/issues/media/docs/Media_10_ 02_03_Report.pdf

For some reason my Adobe's not working right and not loading it. But I got a feeling this is another one of those right-wing media conspiracy indictments. As if I hadn't seen these before.



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