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Posted: November 03 2009 at 12:37
^ The songs are merely nice; not offensive at all, just nice. Btw, I like Run Through The Light too, weird as it is for a Yes song. Certainly a good B-side tune.
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Posted: October 30 2009 at 21:47
I really like Machine Messiah, just because of this song was this line-up worth existing for me. It may be only me, but I also liked Run Through the Light a lot, and even White Car, I find both nice to listen to (even though White Care is far too short, but I guess it acomplishes whatever it needs in so short a time). Tempus Fugit and Into the Lens have never been very interesting for me. By the way, anyone heard the live songs played by this lineup on the live compilation The Word is Live? Go Through This, and We Can Fly From Here. I found both songs quiet nice, however the sound quality on this two particular songs is rather dreadful.
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Posted: October 30 2009 at 20:39
I was unaware that Machine Messiah was a Buggle's contribution. The other Buggle song that I meant (well, excepting White Car) was Tempus Fugit.
I don't find Howe's playing to be as compelling as it was prior to the split. In fact, I'd say that Drama is where the long, slippery, drug-induced slope that leads to his lazy work on Asia begins. On the other hand, I will agree that Squire and White are tight here. Very tight.
And yes, Horn did a competent if not spectacular job in replacing Anderson. Too bad Squire couldn't look for talent on youtube back then.
Edited by ghost_of_morphy - October 30 2009 at 20:45
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Posted: October 30 2009 at 15:43
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Bitterblogger wrote:
For both Anderson and Wakeman to quit, and Yes to decide to carry on, took courage. For it to involve two practically unknown musicians more attuned to New Wave than progressive rock, was risky. The resulting Drama was not only a clever title, but actually delivered two great numbers to the Yes repertoire: Tempus Fugit and Machine Messiah (Into The Lens isn't bad either). Can you think of other groups who've parted ways with two of their most popular members, including the main songwriter, that did as well? I can only think of disasters, like the J Geils Band, or "pushes", like with 10 cc.
Ahh, another one who agrees with me on Machine Messiah and the Buggles' songs being the high points.
Wait a minute, I know Into The Lens was a "Buggles" song (real good song imo). But Machine Messiah was supposedly based at first on another Buggles song.
I like what Bitterblogger had to say about the daring of Drama. I agree, and can't think of another passable switchout of major members. I always respected how Led Zep didn't even try - tough in fact to think of any bands that stopped completely when their drummer died, or even just left.
Anyway, Drama is an accomplishment. And let's not leave out how fresh Howe's playing is on it, how fitting White and Squires playing is, and how excellent the vocal compliment works - mainly I'm saying how great the Horn/Squire, and even Horn/Squire/Howe, vocal combination is on the record. (Btw, apparently White does "vocals" on the album, but I don't know what song(s) that could be as I don't know what he sounds like.)
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Posted: October 29 2009 at 18:29
Bitterblogger wrote:
For both Anderson and Wakeman to quit, and Yes to decide to carry on, took courage. For it to involve two practically unknown musicians more attuned to New Wave than progressive rock, was risky. The resulting Drama was not only a clever title, but actually delivered two great numbers to the Yes repertoire: Tempus Fugit and Machine Messiah (Into The Lens isn't bad either). Can you think of other groups who've parted ways with two of their most popular members, including the main songwriter, that did as well? I can only think of disasters, like the J Geils Band, or "pushes", like with 10 cc.
Ahh, another one who agrees with me on Machine Messiah and the Buggles' songs being the high points.
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Posted: October 29 2009 at 17:33
For both Anderson and Wakeman to quit, and Yes to decide to carry on, took courage. For it to involve two practically unknown musicians more attuned to New Wave than progressive rock, was risky. The resulting Drama was not only a clever title, but actually delivered two great numbers to the Yes repertoire: Tempus Fugit and Machine Messiah (Into The Lens isn't bad either). Can you think of other groups who've parted ways with two of their most popular members, including the main songwriter, that did as well? I can only think of disasters, like the J Geils Band, or "pushes", like with 10 cc.
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Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:03
I surely don't claim that That, That Is something special. And I don't claim that it is White's best performance either. All I claim is that White's performance on it was the straw that tipped the scale towards White and away from Bruford for me.
But I suggest that if it weren't for those insipid parts with Anderson singing about a drive-by and a very few other weak parts, we would speak of That, That Is as the last Yes classic track instead of In The Presence Of.
Edited by ghost_of_morphy - October 28 2009 at 20:06
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Posted: October 28 2009 at 08:45
Not that there aren't other moments to recommend him, but I think White's best drumming is on Relayer, with Gates and Sound Chaser. Frankly, That, That Is is okay but it pretty much may just as well be anybody there; I don't see it as special.
edit : I'll add that I think his best drumming accross one entire album is on Drama. Very smart and appropriate parts, wonderfully played.
Edited by American Khatru - October 28 2009 at 08:48
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 20:34
American Khatru wrote:
I love Broof on Heart of the Sunrise too. I continue to be fascinated by that whole section early on, the one that is mainly bass and drums, with mellotron chords then coming in and eventually the guitar fading in on the riff. One of the coolest things ever done in prog. And Bruford's thoughtful drumming across it is just the tops.
Here's another one: who else would have thought of - how would someone else have thought of - that wicked part on the verses of Long Distance Runaround?
HotS is the song that more or less established Bruford's undeserved reputation as a soulless technical master.
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 20:32
Moogtron III wrote:
For me Bruford's drumming on Heart Of The Sunrise.
And for Alan White: I quite like his drumming on Release Release (Tormato).
Yes, that's very good. And his work on Ritual is outstanding and parts of GFTO (as mentioned by Bitterblogger) are also outstanding. But I never felt that he REALLY lived up to Bruford's legacy until I heard That, That Is. Sure, it's a severely flawed epic, but some of the things White is doing in that are outstanding enough to punch him up to Bruford's level, given his historical output as well.
At least that's how I feel about it. I realized that That, That Is doesn't get a whole lot of love from Yes fans, even though the 70% of it that isn't utter crap is pretty darn good.
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 19:06
BTW, once I started a thread asking people for their favorite drum fill in a prog song, not a solo, just a fill. Someone replied that the three tom hits by Bruford on Close to the Edge - after the lengthy introduction is done and the section starts that contains the first words of the song - gets them every time. I gushed concurrence! It is just the thing, isn't it?! His playing across that whole album is just wonderful. The 'Eclipse' section of And You And I is sublime, as I know I've said elsewhere. I notice it's credited to Bruford and Squire, incidentally.
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 16:54
I love Broof on Heart of the Sunrise too. I continue to be fascinated by that whole section early on, the one that is mainly bass and drums, with mellotron chords then coming in and eventually the guitar fading in on the riff. One of the coolest things ever done in prog. And Bruford's thoughtful drumming across it is just the tops.
Here's another one: who else would have thought of - how would someone else have thought of - that wicked part on the verses of Long Distance Runaround?
Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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