Gays and Prog Rock

Slartibartfast wrote: Well, the sexuality of a musician really doesn't matter to me.  And frankly I don't care if you're gay, bi, or straight.  It's the music that counts.

Edited by StyLaZyn - May 30 2009 at 09:56

ghost_of_morphy wrote: If I were speaking from the standpoint of my religion I'd point out that homosexuality is a sin that requires repentance and the acceptance of Jesus Christ for salvation  (same for all of you adulterers and fornicators out there, so don't judge me as homophobic.)   But my understanding was that this thread was about music. I personally don't see the connection between one's sexual preferences and prog music at all, but if this topic stimulates some interesting connections for some of you, by all means, carry on.    And I will be an interested reader.   Oh, and if anyone cares to make a connection between sexual identity and interest in prog I will be VERY interested in hearing your theorems, although I doubt that I will reply.

Can you imagine if there wasn't a single Christian voice in prog rock? As a music lover you probably couldn't care less, but as follower of Christ wouldn't you be thrilled to know there are people just like you in progressive music where the playing field is largely secular, even paganistic at times? Wouldn't you feel a bit of comfort in finding such a musician, someone you could look up to perhaps and feel a bit less alone? That is what it's like for me as a gay person.

If this site was about pastry chefs, or architects, or whatever profession I might have started a similar thread there. But this is a site about music, and with music people can express themselves in ways that other professions don't allow. It's no secret that gays are drawn heavily to the arts, not all, but many are. Some who are gay find solace in the creativity that music can offer as a medium of "coming out", if not explictly in life then in finding like-minded individuals.

Then to answer your question posted by you and others. The answer is ultimately NO, in the end it does not matter to me the sexual orientation of the performer whose music I enjoy. I won't stop enjoying my Yes albums because I found out Jon Anderson is straight, besides he looks too cute in that "Love Will FInd a Way" video.
 






Edited by catfood03 - May 30 2009 at 08:35

catfood03 wrote: SergiUriah wrote: I should go further in this amazing question: Any who practices zoophilic with blue elefants and a green hat put on his head in ProgRock? You're obviously into "Camel", nominate yourself.

Easy Money wrote: Regarding people who want an admins to close this thread, or think that it is disrespectful. Please read all the pages, this thread is suprisingly thoughtful, sensitive and downright intelligent. I was watching this thread from the beginning and at first I thought, oh no a bunch of pointless gratuitous speculation on musicians who may or may not seem a bit 'swishy'. Instead what has happened is a very nice and suprisingly mature (for PA, ha ha) discussion and some heart-warming frankness that makes this thread one of the coolest I have seen on PA ... ever.

If I were speaking from the standpoint of my religion I'd point out that homosexuality is a sin that requires repentance and the acceptance of Jesus Christ for salvation  (same for all of you adulterers and fornicators out there, so don't judge me as homophobic.)

Edited by ghost_of_morphy - May 30 2009 at 05:48

That's sort of why I asked.

Rocktopus wrote: Gorgoroth's Gaahl must be the first to come out of the Norwegian (or any) Black Metal scene.

Why is it regressive?

catfood03 wrote: Rocktopus wrote: A gay black metaller is very welcomed (Does anyone know of a black black metaller btw?) There have been a handful of black (as in race) metal bands. Most obvious is Living Colour.

Yes, I know them and a couple more, but I was thinking of black folks playing Black Metal.

SergiUriah wrote: I should go further in this amazing question: Any who practices zoophilic with blue elefants and a green hat put on his head in ProgRock?

You're obviously into "Camel", nominate yourself. 

Most likely the reason you don't hear about prog musicians' sexual preferences is because to most of us it doesn't matter, as long as they make good music.

catfood03 wrote: mrcozdude wrote: catfood03 wrote: Ha! Yup, that sounds like Zappa humor alright! I hope I'm not treading into personal territory but how do you find that humour? I love Zappa and completely understand it's irony (well I think I do a anyway) but do you find it offensive? Okay, I went and found the complete lyrics now, which is what I should have done before my first reply to this song. The line about "golden rain" is a bit much, because my interpretation of the song's lyrics is what is supposedly in a standard gay relationship, or what every gay man's interest is. I can tell you these practices are definitely in a minority in gay relationships, and in straight ones I'm sure. I don't know what "eat a little chain" means, but if means what I think it does, then ditto on that as well. The rest of the song doesn't offend me really, but I don't speak for all gays on this site, or everywhere, so I will let others decide for themselves. So, yes I do have a bit of a negative opinion of this song. What can I say? Zappa had a "South Park" humor about certain topics, and I'm sure gays weren't his only push-button subjects. If he had chosen to use a  epithet, it would have pushed the lyrics way too unacceptable (like a certain talentless white rapper named after a chocolate candy).

Well, Zappa didn't shy away from offending anyone he could.  That is interesting that you would describe it as South Park humor.  You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Good thing your aren't a Catholic Girl or a Jewish Princess or a Flake for that matter or your name is Bobby Brown.


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 29 2009 at 21:15

mrcozdude wrote: catfood03 wrote: Ha! Yup, that sounds like Zappa humor alright! I hope I'm not treading into personal territory but how do you find that humour? I love Zappa and completely understand it's irony (well I think I do a anyway) but do you find it offensive?

Okay, I went and found the complete lyrics now, which is what I should have done before my first reply to this song.

The line about "golden rain" is a bit much, because my interpretation of the song's lyrics is what is supposedly in a standard gay relationship, or what every gay man's interest is. I can tell you these practices are definitely in a minority in gay relationships, and in straight ones I'm sure. I don't know what "eat a little chain" means, but if means what I think it does, then ditto on that as well. The rest of the song doesn't offend me really, but I don't speak for all gays on this site, or everywhere, so I will let others decide for themselves.

So, yes I do have a bit of a negative opinion of this song. What can I say? Zappa had a "South Park" humor about certain topics, and I'm sure gays weren't his only push-button subjects. If he had chosen to use a  epithet, it would have pushed the lyrics way too unacceptable (like a certain talentless white rapper named after a chocolate candy).



Edited by catfood03 - May 29 2009 at 20:13