Genesis were bad to its fans.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Omg Genesis became a pop band because Phil Collins didn't want to do prog anymore. I'm sorry, but get over it. Bands change and people change, as radical as that may sound to some of us.

Damn right. A forum for discussion Yes......fan discontent on group evolution with the times...No. Can you imagine if Genesis continued playing new SEBtP type compositions well into the 80's...just not realistic, sorry. It is easy looking back as an armchair critic but those guys lived and breathed Genesis. There are many Gensis fans who liked most of the post Duke albums and with the exclusion of Collin's Disney solo escapades, actually enjoyed his music too.

Genesis started by trying (and failing) to make 3-minute pop songs. I've read interviews where they said it was much easier to add to their compositions and complicate them than it was to edit them to fit the pop single format. After about 10 years practice, they finally achieved what they originally set out to do.

Perhaps I should have made this a blog.
But basically my point is, it's not unreasonable for a progger to feel some sort of annoyance at collins and co.
I am surprised by many of your responses many of the review written about 80s Genesis belie 'matter of fact' responses this thread has generated. 
My point here is to put things in perspective. I believe fans are important to a band, Iron Maiden has shown this by them coming to NZ recently, if they didn't feel anything to their fans then they wouldn't have come. The fact is folks these bands are in entertainment its all about their audiences, if not it annoys us after all some posts have expressed frustration about Fripp's treatment of fans, the fact that he has got his lawyers
to take off his music of the archives gave many annoyance. Also those posts about hoping bands will come to your home country and play. This website is all about fans, you members are fans of different bands, so what on earth are you all talking about fans being silly? We are the fans, and about bands owing you nothing, don't we all attend or try to attend concerts, so spare me please this all these posts about bands owing nothing, I'm just being honest about my fandom, in NZ we get zilch prog, so count yourselves lucky that your bands do consider you and tour in your countries.




Edited by Cheesecakemouse - April 24 2009 at 04:00

Ahh, if you don't like them, don't buy their albums.

I don't think Genesis ever cared about how the public perceived the band; proggers or non-proggers. 

Omg Genesis became a pop band because Phil Collins didn't want to do prog anymore.

I'm sorry, but get over it. Bands change and people change, as radical as that may sound to some of us.

Henry Plainview wrote: Fans are clingy, complaining dumbasses that will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The sooner you shut our their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it.

I beat you to it

To put it bluntly, I don't think bands owe their fans anything. They have every right to make the kind of music they want and fans either choose to follow or not. Don't like the new album? Don't buy it then, concentrate on different groups. A band name is more a label for the people making the music than for the music itself. You know, "Hello Cleveland! We are Spinal Tap." Despite their ever-exploding drummers and evolving from psychedelic pop into sleaze rock and crap jazz, they were always Spinal Tap. That's why people give their albums diffenrent names, to separate them from others. The name's different, the content is obviously different too, sometimes less, sometimes more.

Fans are clingy, complaining dumbasses that will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The sooner you shut our their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it.

OzzProg wrote: Yes should have ended with Trevor Rabin

It did. 




I agree artists should do whatever they want, but if they want to milk the famous name for all the cash its worth, they're gonna hear about it from the faithful.....the price of cash-milking. 

Ask Roger Water if having the PF name helped with ticket sales in the late 80s.  PF were playing stadiums, Roger was having trouble filling hockey rinks.