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Tapfret 
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 Posted: December 24 2008 at 15:37 |
 debrewguy wrote:
... that would leave very few RIO/Avant-Gardeners ...
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What? No! Of course those are not weeds. Those are just very complex carrots that very few people know how to eat.
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Tapfret
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 15:32 |
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There's only one answer.
PROG BOOT CAMP!!!
HUT-2-3-4....um...5.
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 14:01 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Well why would you expect an 11 year old to have a strongly formed opinion on anything. Honestly music is a very powerful, personal, and intricate thing. To expect young people to be able to intake information and make informed musical decisions is really as unrealistic as expecting them to do the same with respect to political or medical decision. |
Well, idk. I had a strong opinion on music when I was 11. That's when I first got into Rush ^_~
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For the <3 of John Petrucci!
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:49 |
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Well why would you expect an 11 year old to have a strongly formed opinion on anything. Honestly music is a very powerful, personal, and intricate thing. To expect young people to be able to intake information and make informed musical decisions is really as unrealistic as expecting them to do the same with respect to political or medical decision.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:45 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I don't really think its the image. It's just exposure.
And what is wrong with Bring Me The Horizon. |
It's probably a little bit of both.
My 11 year old sister only likes rap because she thinks everybody else does and she thinks it'll get her popular in school. It's pretty sad, really -_-
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For the <3 of John Petrucci!
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:37 |
I don't really think its the image. It's just exposure.
And what is wrong with Bring Me The Horizon.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:36 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Oh god, not this thread again. And we wonder why people think we're pretentious...
Backstreet Boys vs Led Zeppelin is not a valid comparison in any way. And to the rest of the post: idk my bff jill
PetrucciPal wrote:
Yay! He's younger than I thought! ^_^ |
Please don't make that face again. |
=/
But it's amazing. lol
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For the <3 of John Petrucci!
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the_binkster
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:34 |
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Too many associate 'long songs' with rubbish, apparently if it demands your attention for more than 3 minutes it isn't worthy of your attention. I had a discussion with a mate who refused Opeth because they write 'boring songs' and then proceded to extol the virtues of Bring Me The Horizon.
Prog's image is the problem, not the music. After I played a friend shorter Porcupine Tree songs he fell in love with them and now even listens to the 'more demanding' stuff (yes, I frequently remind him PT isn't demanding listening).
Kids like sh*tty stuff because everyone else does; they don't branch out because they're afraid of being called weird......
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 12:28 |
Some people simply do not enjoy the prog aesthetic. Being progressive does that make a song or artist good or inherently better than one that is not. It's a dangerous trap to fall into, and I too did it at your age when I first got into prog and discovered this site. While those bands your mentioned are pretty much atrocious to anyone who isn't 15, there's plenty of sophisticated non-prog music. I'd take a band like Thrice over 90% of the bands included here.
Personally with my all prog attitude I burnt myself out on music completely for about 6 months, until I branched out into other genres which made music come alive again. I would predict the same thing will happen to you.
Also, if you think the scream at the end of Octavarium is something special, you really need to listen to Envy.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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debrewguy
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 11:04 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
I think music is fun, and that's why I listen to it. Not for any scene, self-satisfaction, self-righteousness, fulfilling a fetish for music theory, etc., just fun.
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I don't know. How long can we allow people the option of listening to music that they like ? What's next - letting them enjoy the Kids in the Hall over James Joyce ? The McLaughlin group over the View ? Can't we kill a few people so that we end with a majority who listen to music that we judge of appropriate quality and value ? Oh no, wait ... what am I saying ... that would leave very few RIO/Avant-Gardeners ... Good music = listener's enjoyment . I am now going back to Tales of Topographic Tales to see if Steve Howe should have fought harder to play that G7 instead of the Gmajor that Jon Anderson insisted upon. Now where was that ?
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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debrewguy
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 10:59 |
crimson87 wrote:
A writer in my country once said that all things we do are in order to score and if I take that into account well , you can't start interesting conversations with women with prog as a subject.
Music is just to get laid nowadays. |
And has been for a long time ...
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 07:28 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
I think music is fun, and that's why I listen to it. Not for any scene, self-satisfaction, self-righteousness, fulfilling a fetish for music theory, etc., just fun.
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Yes and in that sense, we are not really different from the people who are "accused" on this thread of listening to music for fun - why should we be different anyway? I haven't met anybody else in my city who likes 70s prog so much and though I have misanthropic tendencies, I wouldn't pursue a genre of music only to fulfill some bizarre narcissist motives. From the first time I listened to Aqualung/ Firth of the Fifth/ Experience/ Karn Evil 9 I knew I was enjoying myself like I had hardly ever before and that's the one thing that makes me pursue this form of music. I like it and why do I care who else does and does not?
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: December 24 2008 at 06:08 |
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I think music is fun, and that's why I listen to it. Not for any scene, self-satisfaction, self-righteousness, fulfilling a fetish for music theory, etc., just fun.
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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crimson87
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 19:49 |
A writer in my country once said that all things we do are in order to score and if I take that into account well , you can't start interesting conversations with women with prog as a subject.
Music is just to get laid nowadays.
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topofsm
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 19:31 |
Well sir, you certainly are not alone. I am in high school right now and I must be the only person in all 1000 people here (small school) that enjoys prog music. Yes it does drive me nuts when the girls talk about the song on the radio that's so great and that I'm constantly subjected to the uber-loud bass of rap lovers in the parking lot. However, you gotta realize that people just aren't into music, so why would they go out of their way to look up some good stuff, when they have stuff that they enjoy listening to the couple times they listen a day?
Wasn't there a poll recently where the biggest demographic here was teenagers from the US? I'll have to look that one up.
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Vompatti
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 18:54 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
PetrucciPal wrote:
Yay! He's younger than I thought! ^_^ |
Please don't make that face again. |
I think that face is so cute that I hereby quote it. ^_^
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A Person
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 18:50 |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 18:33 |
Oh god, not this thread again. And we wonder why people think we're pretentious...
Backstreet Boys vs Led Zeppelin is not a valid comparison in any way. And to the rest of the post: idk my bff jill
PetrucciPal wrote:
Yay! He's younger than I thought! ^_^ |
Please don't make that face again.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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PetrucciPal
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 17:53 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
^Dude, Joe Satriani is 52 years old, he was actually born on the 15th of July, 1956
That's still awesome, sorta, since he is one of my favorite guitarists of all time
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Ohh, psh, OK, didn't know that, thanks XD
Yay! He's younger than I thought! ^_^
lol
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For the <3 of John Petrucci!
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 23 2008 at 17:50 |
^Dude, Joe Satriani is 52 years old, he was actually born on the 15th of July, 1956
That's still awesome, sorta, since he is one of my favorite guitarists of all time
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