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Slartibartfast 
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
 Posted: October 13 2007 at 09:28 |
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I just found out Rick Wakeman played with the band. Weird. I did not know that. Hope someone posts something from that to the streaming. I guess I'll have to check out the samples at my favorite internet CD shop.
Just checked out the site and he's not in the credit but the review mentions synthesizers and none of the other band members are credited with synthesizer.  Edited by Slartibartfast - October 13 2007 at 09:32 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10617 |
Posted: October 13 2007 at 09:20 |
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I know I'm not reviewing any more albums till the BS reviews die down. My Eno review was on the front page for a second and then it was trampled by a horde of metal thunder, and poor Eno is so delicate. Ouch!!!
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Raff
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: October 13 2007 at 09:06 |
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I can understand your point of view... However, I don-t understand why you and all the other people who find PR additions depressing don-t address the issue directly with the owners. If they think they are important to draw more people in, perhaps they should realise that instead they are having the opposite effect, especially on longtime members. Personally, though I am in favour of PR and none of the additions has ever bothered me in the least, I think it-s not a good thing if they are forced down people-s throats. |
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10617 |
Posted: October 13 2007 at 09:05 |
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Sorry Toto, but we're not in Kansas anymore. |
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fuxi
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Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2459 |
Posted: October 13 2007 at 08:55 |
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I'm sure you can rationalise BS's inclusion as much as you like. I just find it thoroughly depressing.
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andu
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Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
Posted: October 13 2007 at 08:23 |
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Great one, indeed  Except for the fact that Battle of Evermore is the only Zepp songs where Jones doesn't do the mandolin, but Page... and Jones did the guitar, and the backing vocals when Sandy wasn't around And a great Tales review too, btw  |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20239 |
Posted: October 13 2007 at 08:06 |
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Exactly my point.
If I did pull out those rankings, it is to see that on the average these albums on top are the better ones from a given group.
But as I said in the other thread (rating changes) I couldn't care less of those rankings as seen from a general spectrum. Those TOP 100 list are not that trustworthy (they might give an idea, but theway some focus on it, I suspect major skewing) and less on this site than at Progressive Ears or at Gnosis2000.
So in its finality, I don't care for intergroup comparisons, because PA is not trustworthy
read you tomorrow
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:56 |
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Hopefully it'll settle down over time - those rankings are ridiculous and make a mockery of the site.
4 stars = "Excellent addition to any prog music collection".
Come on.
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Hercules
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Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:54 |
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Much though I like Sabbath, their connection with prog is too tenuous to include them and nothing in Sean's biopic convinces me otherwise.
Add to that Iron Maiden, The Beatles, Radiohead, Messhugah, Led Zeppelin and The Who and this site is stretching the boundaries of what is prog, or even prog related much too far. Yet some bands with really progressive tendencies (Toto is an obvious candidate) are not here. |
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micky
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:32 |
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I really can't believe you all.... albums don't 'deserve' any particular rating. IF so ..what is the point of reviewing... just award the damn album 5 stars.. because it is inluential or popular. sorry to see my example has been ignored. You can review a non prog album accurately and fairly based on it's prog quotient. That is fair to all... unless the only thing that matters.. is what the damn ranking is... |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Raff
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:26 |
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Steve, it is not... I think I made it clear enough in the other thread. It doesn-t make any sense to give great albums lower ratings just because they-re not prog. It would make much more sense to scrap the category altogether.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:23 |
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mystic fred
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:19 |
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agreed "Heaven and Hell" is a masterpiece, but is it an "essential masterpiece of progressive music" ...?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:15 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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Abstrakt
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:09 |
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Raff
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:06 |
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I don-t see why we should rejoice or anything at an album having a low rating just because it-s not prog... I am afraid that, in my very odd opinion, it sounds a little bit like a form of fanaticism. Mind you, Hugues or anyone else, this remark is NOT directed at you... However, nothing and no one will stop me from giving 5 stars to Heaven and Hell, if I ever get to reviewing it. The fact of giving those albums a lower rating because they-re not prog is absurd to me, as I made it abundantly clear in that other thread in Help Improve the site.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:00 |
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I agree, there are at least 4 songs on each of those I am really fond of.
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mystic fred
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 06:58 |
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^ i always liked "Technical Ecstasy" and "Never Say Die" - not normal Sabs material admittedly but not poor.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 06:49 |
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So far this is hardly disgraceful:
No abuse really!! And in one week time, it'll have blown over!!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 04:01 |
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I guess since I'm reading this I should throw in an opinion too, I think the idea of different ratings words for bands like Zep or Sabbath is a good one.
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