Don't knock the (punk) rock!

schizoid_man77 wrote: Jimbo, I do understand in some weird kind of way that prog and punk are actually very simalar BECAUSE they are opposites!   Long songs/short songs   Complex music/ very simple music   Spacey far minded lyrics/ straight forward lyrics   The only thing they have in common is that they are both dogged by the media and are now underground. But I simply cannot get into the sloppy playing and "lets have sex all the time" lyrics. I respect it, but you will find me listening to nirvana before the sex pistols.

Watch these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5I2vEcVC_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bMC8DloyJU

Both are generally seen as (post-) punk bands. Not all punk is based on mind-numbingly simple songs and "let's have sex all the time" lyrics.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   Here once in a while a read a lot of people talking about how much they like Punk, others even talking about Prog Punk, but you won't ever see that in a Punk site, there you will just read insults, and that's OK for us and if they are happy, it's OK for them.   I like a lot of POP, others like Jazz, some will like Punk, but some of us simply can't stand Punk, and that's also OK IMHO, I don't understand what is so closed minded and pretentious in knowing what we like and what we don't like....Or is it a condition for being considered open minded to like every single genre?.   Iván

I understand what you're saying,  but the problem is that usually when someone knocks the punk genre here, they often haven't got a clue as to what they're talking about. If you've given the genre a fair try, and noticed that this is not for me, then it's absolutely OK to even detest punk, but most people tend to base their opinions on stereotypes and aren't even willing to try.

I have no doubt in my mind that this is also true for most punk fans when they knock our beloved genre, but that shouldn't be used as an excuse.

Open-mindedness doesn't have anything to do with liking every single genre, it has everything to do with being honest enough to give every genre a chance.




Edited by Jimbo - September 05 2007 at 06:28

It's funny when you read Punk is malignized in a Prog place, please take your time and visit any Punk site, they waste pages of pages not in open forums but in their main sites insulting Prog and boasting about how they destroyed the dinosaurs.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 05 2007 at 02:17

Jimbo, I do understand in some weird kind of way that prog and punk are actually very simalar BECAUSE they are opposites!

I love Misfits with Danzig.

The condemning of other genres does exist amongst some prog fans, unfortunately. But I can't help but think the treatment punk gets here is due to the bad press prog gets as a result of punk's positive press. Punk is generally not a genre I choose to listen to on a regular basis, either, but as I said, some good music came out of it.

I've never actually liked The Clash much, for whatever reason. They are one of those 'big' bands I've never managed to get into at all (Guns 'N' Roses is another). Don't hate them either though and they were another of those bands that definitely transcended punk (whereas a lot of Guns 'N' Roses' output makes me cringe in horror).

I used to have a few UK Subs albums on vinyl (when I used to hoard all sorts of stuff) and, to me, every track sounded the same, without the diversity that most of the better bands of this era excelled in. But of course, they have their fans.

"Punk's not dead. It only smells like it's dead" (unknown author).  

I've seen the UK Subs a couple of times in the last few years. You're right, Salmacis, they are still knocking out the same old sort of stuff now. It's what the ageing punks want to hear, much like wanting Genesis to get back with Gabriel and Hackett and relive the glory days of the 70s. 

Yorkie X wrote: their are some prog bands with a little punk in them recently I was listening to Twelfth Night and I can hear some anti establishment sentiments in them, also  correct me if I`'m wrong but "Script For a Jester's Tear" (Garden Party , Forgotten Sons)  has a certain anti establishment charm about it too. If Punk can get past the regular format they tend to use and expand into new territories I`m sure lots of prog heads would be interested.

schizoid_man77 wrote: I respect all music (except gangsta rap), but punk is low on my standards, cause after you've heard one song, you have heard all of punk! Like dean said, It's very narrow, with three chord verse chorus verse songs and twenty nine minuete long albums. Dont deny with that sentence I summed up 75% of punk.