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The T wrote: [But you act like the Moral Righteousness Authority that has come here to show us that that is wrong because...you say so???

 

mgallard wrote: I forgive you all. One day you will see the light. I'll pray for that day. You all don't get it do ya. All good prog groups become pop in the end cause $ in the real God. Oh I see... you're a priest.... or some higher power, as you can forgive all of us for our sins and you KNOW the light! Anyway, now seriously, don't turn this into something personal, I am more open-minded, you aren't or are, whatever. The only proof that we have that you're open minded is, well, YOUR testimony and your constant "I'm open minded" rants.... But from what we can READ, you just can't stand opposite arguments or different opinions... It's a relatively easy tactic for narrow-minded people to call everybody else narrow-minded... It's called projection and it's a rather common defense mechanism... What I find pathetic is that people let their rationality become controlled by that irrational fear of something "popular". It's normally expressed as "Oh, X group is now famous, or they had a hit single, or they made a poppy song, ie.: they sold out", but anyway, some people like to be pathetic too... so good for them! Yes! Good for them! They make millions! Or they don't! Why should we care! We care for THE MUSIC... If they make millions and we (I mean, each particular individual) likes it, OK... If it doesn't sell and we like it, OK! If it sells and we don't like it, OK! If it doesn't sell and we don't like it, OK! Don't you get that, what many people here have been trying to say (among other things) is that PARTICULAR TASTES ARE WHAT MAKES A PERSON LIKE OR NOT A BAND, NOT HOW POP OR COMMERCIAL IT IS....It so happens that, from the nature of this site, most of us don't like things like 90125 or Invisible Touch... But you act like the Moral Righteousness Authority that has come here to show us that that is wrong because...you say so??? M. PD: BTW, I am famous enough already, so I don't need to even have a name on ProgArchives if it was me you were referring to, or was it Ibán? or, Mr. T, are you just trying to be funny?

  Oh, when I try to be funny Mr Famous, I usually succeed. And of course I'm not talking about Ivan, who has a name here for all the right reasons. You say you're already famous, so, either:

mgallard wrote: I forgive you all. One day you will see the light. I'll pray for that day. You all don't get it do ya. All good prog groups become pop in the end cause $ in the real God. Anyway, now seriously, don't turn this into something personal, I am more open-minded, you aren't or are, whatever. What I find pathetic is that people let their rationality become controlled by that irrational fear of something "popular". It's normally expressed as "Oh, X group is now famous, or they had a hit single, or they made a poppy song, ie.: they sold out", but anyway, some people like to be pathetic too... so good for them! M. PD: BTW, I am famous enough already, so I don't need to even have a name on ProgArchives if it was me you were referring to, or was it Ibán? or, Mr. T, are you just trying to be funny?

Edited by StyLaZyn - July 31 2007 at 16:07

Some of these posts are so hilarious.....

Poeple trying to make a name in here by showing how "open-minded" they are is not a rare thing.... It's funny how there are people who think that, to be "famous" (what else are they aiming for but attention?) in a prog website, they have to show us that prog isn't so good after all!!  It's like a soccer fan going to a soccer site saying "hey, you idiots! There are other sports around! I'm open minded, you're not!".  As Ivan said, this is a PROG site... it's just normal and coherent that MOST people will prefer the PROGGIER version of bands rather than the POPPIER version of bands... I would say that, if it was the other way around, we should be analyzed for being incoherent as a group....

Edited by The T - July 31 2007 at 15:56

And now the thread gets locked...

Of course music of my youth has sentimental value, and that happens to be the 70s.  But I have shelved some of the stuff I liked back then, and also recognize that some of the stuff I still like might not resonate with me if I heard it for teh first time now.  Still, prog was almost mainstream in the 70s, and since then it has been much more underground, although in the last 10 years this has been nicely offset by the internet.  All this exposure has helped me to realize that, even in the so-called dark days of the 80s, there was always good prog being released.  There has never been a year without good prog releases, and I don't judge them by when they were issued.  If I like them, I like them.

^mgallard, good post. Liking music is extremely subjective and it's important never to forget that. I listen to a lot of  italian and russian sympho , there are 3 threads about these genres here (symphonic, all from italy and russian symphonic). But also here where we're discussing only the symphonic genre opinions about what's great, good and not so good vary immensely.

 I like early Genesis more than their later work myself btw.

Edit: i don't relate to the rest of your post so much and certainly not to your following up posts here, just to be sure that there aren no misunderstandings........


^Stylazyn (and off topic sorry), that's the first song of King Crimson's Discipline, got that album recently and i love it, always believed it more or less stopped ( or at least got wildy unaccessible)  for KC  after Red, i know better now .


Edited by Dirk - July 31 2007 at 16:46

Easy Livin wrote: Let's keep the banter to the velvet room.

Anyway, will not get into details with Ibán, he can live his life as he wants it, he can insult (now I bark and can't read... he knows me so well...) and attack, but for the most it is all uncalled for and certainly he's good at overreacting (won't fall down to your level). Anyway, maybe you, Ibán, are not a progsnob, just maybe a bit shortsighted and I forgive you, .

I prefer to live in a world with a very open mind, my general rule is, if I can listen to it 5 times without getting bored, then it's good enough to give a try, that's how I found Nusrat, Blof, You Am I, Pain Of Salvation and so on, but even with an open mind I don't get Hip hop and things related, though I like Beastie Boys.

I am a Genesis fan, yes, but I know what I like most and I know the records I don't choose when given a choice. The best of Genesis was until Abacab and then I jump to Calling All Stations, which as we know is not liked by most, I think many only have an opinion based on the one song they heard on the radio (which I jump when listening to the album), plus I think others listen to an album expecting to hear something very similar to what they heard last time, if so Hackett or Zappa or Prince are not enjoyed by them.

Anyway, there are a lot of progsnobs (not you Stylazyn, nor you Ibán ;-)) out there and you know who you are. If anyone dares to make a more melodic song and even worse a hit single, and dare to include it among some real "prog" songs, they are selling out, the song is crap, they stop listening to the albums, and so on. So this thread has basis in the real world, the overreacting members that appear on the thread are also proof of that.

I think many judge the great bands of Rock and Prog, based on their own shortsighted view of the world and music, and think they have a right to call X music they made "crap" or awful or whatever, when it's all just a personal opinion. Music isn't just music, it's a series of more basic reactions, certain music for me (as with most people that listen to music, not "think" or "analyse" music: listen) can elicit a series of images, feelings, smells and so on, based on where and when I heard the music most, can that be understood or grasped by someone else, a rotund no! So music is for the most a personal experience and what is obviously "crap" to everyone else, isn't so for another.

So anyway, Duke, And then there were three, Abacab, which for many aren't good, for me are very worthy and enjoyable additions to the Genesis catalog and I enjoy them as much as I do the previous albums. Ah! Just a recommendation, do take the time to listen to the 5.1 versions of these albums, they are mind blowing (not for the snogs* though)!

Greetings

M.

*prog snobs