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threefates 
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 Posted: February 28 2005 at 21:12 |
Close to the Edge doesn't have Wonderous Stories on it. That song is on "Going for the One" Close to the Edge has "Close to the Edge", "And You and I" and Siberian Khatru"...
I realize I'm not that big of fan of Genesis... but as an ELP fan even, I don't think Genesis has anything that can stand up to Yes's Close to the Edge...
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 21:11 |
Dear Bilbo Baggins.
CTTE is the album with CTTE on it, B-side consists of And You And I, and Siberian Kathru, Wonderous Stories is from Going for the one, which indeed isn't the best of albums Yes ever conceived.
To fully apreciate the marvelous soundscapes Yes ever produced, you might want to check their debut album up to The Yes album, maybe skip fragile, but make sure you'll listen to CTTE, it will be a good introduction to their more melodic side, Relayer and Tales from topographic oceans may be a bit on the difficult side (needs time to sink in)
Don't deny yourself the possible pleasure of Yes, because they are not the easy listening type of band. (I say possible, for their is alway's the odd chance you really not like them)
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Posted: February 28 2005 at 21:01 |
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Yes.Close To The Edge is probably the greatest ensemble prog recording.Incredibly talented band that nailed it down tight.Genesis and Pink Floyd probably created 'deeper' music but Yes were always focused on what they were trying to achieve.Slam on the headphones and go on a trip! |
'always focused on what they were trying to achieve' - er what was that? No I'm genuinely interested, I want to know what it is about Yes's music that has prompted this tight two horse race. You say they were not deep, did you mean lyric wise, technically, or musically?
I am determined to get to the bottom of this. I will go out and buy 'Close to the edge'. Is that the best one? Is this the album with 'Wondrous Stories'? I have to say that so far I have found Yes to be cold and devoid of light and shade. Rick Wakeman was very mechanical in his style that never left me amazed at the way his solo's made sense in the same way that Tony Banks did. Banks had feeling and a wonderful knack of doing the right thing at the right moment - Example - his solo's in Cinema Show, firth of Fifth, In the Cage, and Supper's Ready to name but a few. His intros on tracks like 'Watcher of the Skies' and Firth of Fifth were outstanding. Howe was technically very nimble across the frets but nothing he did sent a shiver down my spine in the way Hackett did on Firth of Fifth. Jon Anderson had a whiney voice that tired after just a few listenings. Gabriel and even Collins (prior to Abacab) were infinitely more poetic, more dramatic.
But after all of this I beg to be shown the better way and would appreciate knowing what is Yes's 'Selling England' or 'Trick of the Tail'. If 'Close to the Edge' is the album with 'Wondrous Stories' on it then I rember hearing that track and thinking 'aha' here is the album that will give me the depth and complexity I am striving for. Then as I listened to further tracks i realised this was the only track that fitted that bill. I really do want to like Yes - Please help as there must be a reason for the votes it has picked up. Is it that Yes were a 'blokes' band and Genesis were the 'thinking man's' band?
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John Gargo
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:15 |
1. Yes
2. Pink Floyd
3. Genesis
I don't think Genesis is in the same league as Pink Floyd, and I don't think Floyd comes close to Yes.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 19:21 |
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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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threefates
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 16:42 |
redbar89 wrote:
... And how can you beat Yours is no Disgrace off The Yes Album? |
Have you heard Dogs off PF's "Animals"??? thats how! 
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 16:40 |
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Having recently bought The Yes Album AND Relayer, I have to say that Yes takes the cake in all categories. It took me a while to warm up to Relayer, but it becomes more enjoyable every time I listen to it. The Gates of Delirium is the best. The drum parts on Sound Chaser are outstanding. And how can you beat Yours is no Disgrace off The Yes Album?
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 16:03 |
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It's OK that KARN-EVIL has a go at everyone - HE even sent a fairly hostile e-mither to my home e-mail account - now that is SAD !
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How did he get your home email address if you don't have it listed on your profile?? 
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 15:53 |
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Yes.Close To The Edge is probably the greatest ensemble prog recording.Incredibly talented band that nailed it down tight.Genesis and Pink Floyd probably created 'deeper' music but Yes were always focused on what they were trying to achieve.Slam on the headphones and go on a trip!
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 15:51 |
Pink Floyd by a mile.
I don't really like Genesis that much,only Peter Gabriel solo. 
And with Yes,some of the albums are excellent,some are good,but not my type.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 15:45 |
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When it comes down to comparing 2 classic bands (I don't factor in
Floyd, as they shouldn't even be mentionned in the same breath), I look
at the penultimate albums and compare the best of the best.
Yes wins by a bloody landslide. Not even close IMO.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:34 |
I like all three. Why do I have to choose? Decisions. Decisions. 
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:34 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
It's OK that KARN-EVIL has a go at everyone - HE even sent a fairly hostile e-mither to my home e-mail account - now that is SAD !
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:22 |
It's OK that KARN-EVIL has a go at everyone - HE even sent a fairly hostile e-mither to my home e-mail account - now that is SAD !
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:21 |
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 11:58 |
Jaja Brasil wrote:
| So I think it's a lost of time compares Gilmour, Howe & Hacket. All superb guitar players (my favourites), but each one in his band. I can't imagine Yes with Gilmour, Genesis with Howe or Pink Floyd with Hackett... It can works, but will be very very very different!
OK. Our taste for best bands is one thing, but I don't like to compare which is the best guitarrist |
Agree with you, you can compare the different styles but at that level, it's hard to say which one is best, this is my opinion:
Steve Hackett: He's the master of the atmospheres and his accoustic playing is simply impeccable.
Steve Howe: He's a band player, plays good solos and outstanding electric parts, still I think his accoustic is not as strong as Hackett's. The guy needs more versatility, he has spent the last 30 - 35 years playing the same two solos (Mood for a Day and Clap) except in a couple of cases.
Dave Gilmour: Complete guitar player, he's the master of the solos, also has a very good atmospheric sound when he needs to.
I'd go with Hackett butthat's only a matter of taste.
Iván
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 11:19 |
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 11:12 |
Hi Everybody,
I think I will be crucified now, but I think we can't compare musicians.
Can you imagine Carl Palmer or Neil Peart playing drums in The Beatles ?
Or Geddy Lee playing bass in Rolling Stones.
It will never works, apart all of them are spectacular musicians !
So I think it's a lost of time compares Gilmour, Howe & Hacket. All superb guitar players (my favourites), but each one in his band. I can't imagine Yes with Gilmour, Genesis with Howe or Pink Floyd with Hackett... It can works, but will be very very very different!
OK. Our taste for best bands is one thing, but I don't like to compare which is the best guitarrist.
Well this is only MY opinion.
Best Greetings
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 09:33 |
Lunarscape wrote:
Cesar Inca wrote:
Easy Livin wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to
answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.
Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon 
Iván
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I'm with you 100%, too, Ivan! It's a pity that his farewell message was just bogus.
Oh, I voted for YES ,
because I considered a "mental rating" of their best works. I thinck
that Fragile, CTTE and Relayer surpass even the best Genesis and PF
recordings. But of course, all of them have done some only good
recordings, others so-so, and some lousy albums and songs, too. I
didn't go for the elements (guitarists, drummers, lyricis,
vocalists...) but for the works themselves.
Regards.
I couldnt agree more....
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I couldn't disagree less.
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