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Tony R 
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 Posted: May 17 2007 at 09:40 |
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arf,arf.arf...
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Bob Greece
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 09:34 |
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That's very good news that the record companies are finally seeing the light. DRM was one of the reasons why I never got into downloading. DRM never worked to stop illegal downloading anyway.
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yargh
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 09:23 |
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I'm sorry, but the RIAA and its draconian ways simply must be stopped. If this means downloading and selling albums illegally, I'm all for it.
Free downloads provide an artist with a much greater audience. People that like the music will still buy it.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 07:23 |
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You mean people actually paid for that album after hearing it??? 
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:50 |
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Unlike Murdoch, who books a separate suite for his loot...
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:49 |
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Some of the better bands will let you hear their music FREE before they release it;
Radiohead appalled Parlophone by putting the entire Kid A album online for free download BEFORE it was officially released.
It sold extremely well.
Muse put the entire "Black Holes and Revelations" album onto their MySpace page before general release - many bands have official MySpace pages with either streaming or downloadable tracks, and more sites like MySpace are springing up all the time - so you don't have to sponsor Rupert Murdoch!
Finally, YouTube (and other streaming video sites) are a fantastic way to explore a huge wealth of music - the streaming videos may be generally poor quality, but they add life to the music, and there's stuff on there that's really, really hard to track down in any other format, including rare Prog Rock.
I've certainly been topping up my CD and LP collection as a result of YouTube browsing - and it really helps with research.
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NutterAlert
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:48 |
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The Nick Barrett/Prog-chick situation seems so unfair when the likes of Sting, who is currently on tour, books a separate hotel suite each night of the tour just for his lute!
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:05 |
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^ you could save quite some money if you used the Napster subscription instead of iTunes to "sample" the music ... fixed monthly fee vs. fixed amount per track.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 17 2007 at 03:20 |
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Well, speaking as one of those perceived as "priveliged, well off fortysomething's who only see things in black and white, shouting: It's illegal! There's nothing to discuss! Bloody thiefs!" (thieves, actually, but...
) and as one who uses a copyrighted image as an avatar (which incidentally does no harm whatsoever to Robin Trower, as I'm not stealing his music) I'd just say that I do download music (legally, using iTunes). However, 9 times out of 10 will buy the album (if I can find it), as I want the cover art, lyrics, credits etc; I may not always pay full price, in fact rarely do - you can buy most albums at considerably reduced prices legally via Amazon's 'marketplace' - despite the common perception, I am not 'well off' (40 something, yes, but not rich).
There are perfectly legal ways of getting music at less than list price, and as for a certain person's assertion that no-one should buy a new album without hearing it first... |
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:11 |
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Ah - I just went back over the replies and noticed that...
I hope he reads it and thinks, though
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Tony R
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:07 |
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Sorry Cert, no point in addressing that person as he is barred from this topic.... |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:05 |
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OK, I re-read what I wrote, and I look at this way:
If I make something and people don't buy it, then I don't make any money. To date, I have made no money from my music - but I don't try as hard these days, since I have a family, etc.
When I was working on the circuits trying to make a crust from music by gigging every night, I didn't consider myself rich as I took my share of the night's takings and tried to find a floor to sleep on somewhere.
I didn't consider myself rich as so-called managers ran off with the kitty.
I didn't consider myself rich when I found a load of our tapes had got ripped off (stolen) one night - I cursed people who steal music as I still do.
Yes, the record industry stinks.
Stealing from the artists does not make it smell better.
You don't have to download illegally in order to hear music - there are streaming sites all over the place - here, for instance - and legal ways to get music for free - so that argument carries no weight whatsoever.
It's not a debate - this thread is about joining the legal campaign - I'm sorry I lost my temper; I should have just ignored your ignorant post.
If you think my point of view is narrow minded, then you might be right - but I have reason to feel this way.
If you think it's naive - think again about who the naive one is.
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Tony R
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:03 |
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wasnt suggesting you "feared" me but you surely must know that this type of posting is pure "troll". Not suggesting you are a "troll" just that one could interpret it that way.
Thanks for the link. I understand your postion better now.
I dont understand why you have to make your replies personal and thus aggressive seiing as you are quick to point out this failing in others...
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Padraic
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 16:44 |
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By the way, the NY Times (and other sources) have the news today that Amazon will soon be starting a digital music service selling DRM-free MP3s. Right now it will only be EMI label artists (as they are the only label to have ditched DRM so far), but I'm hoping that more labels will see the light. I'd rather have FLAC but if the MP3s are coded at a decent bitrate, that's cool.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 16:39 |
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When I jump in and out of this forum its my real life girlfriend I fear, not you. Haven't got more time tonight, but this is what I mean: Pantagruelcruel's poll Back tomorrow. Edited by Rocktopus - May 16 2007 at 16:41 |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Padraic
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 16:37 |
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I rarely (legally) download...got the two Magic Pie records and some Salem Hill from mindawn, but otherwise I buy CDs. I like to have full control over my music - specify the format and compression/bitrate I choose, and absolutely no DRM. Mindawn has the right approach (DRM-free FLAC): if a lot more music was available online in that way, I would be downloading quite a bit more.
Edit: I hope it was clear that the first sentence means I download rarely, and never illegally. Edited by NaturalScience - May 16 2007 at 16:37 |
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Tony R
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 16:33 |
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whenever you post and run like this I just have to laugh....
Now how about explaining yourself adequately instead of making smart-ass comments..
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The Miracle
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 16:31 |
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Anyway, I don't even like legal downloading, not to mention illegal. CD's 4 eva. admin note. childish name-calling edited out. Please dont inflame the situation. Edited by Tony R - May 16 2007 at 17:17 |
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Rocktopus
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 16:22 |
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And how is it possible to not see that coming?  That Zoppa guy is the first one I've read here that can't seem to find one negative thing about illegal downloading. That makes him the first person here who's just as narrowminded as the priveliged, well off fortysomething's who only see things in black and white, shouting: It's illegal! There's nothing to discuss! Bloody thiefs! |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Melomaniac
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Posted: May 16 2007 at 16:21 |
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The only thing I use the net for, musically speaking, is STREAMING samples and/or songs. I am the collector type, I need the entire package, from the sleeve to the thanks. Too many people have No idea of all the work that goes into the making of an album. I do, and that's why I want the whole thing. A mark of respect to everyone involved in the making of an album, from the photographer/illustrator, to the musicians and everyone in between. IT'S THEIR WORK !!! Who downloads books ? Then why download illegally albums ?
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