US Presidential Candidates: which one will....?

The problem with application-based math is that often the applicable elements of mathematics are built upon the abstract notions.  For example, one cannot do a real-life application problem of optimization without knowledge of derivatives, an abstract calculus notion.  And derivatives cannot be calculated without the even more abstract concept of limits!  And so on.

JJLehto wrote: stonebeard wrote: I suspect we would not have to accelerate the maths if we made math more than just a boring class, which would encourage people to pay attention.   Now we're getting into idealism. That's very true, but from a practical, real, standpoint  how do you intend on doing that?

I offered a bit in an earlier post, but I know very little about math and am mostly content with being a master at the humanities.

JJLehto wrote: ..that better be sarcastic..... Because if you're implying just using more tests and setting the bar higher...I will be very pissed off at you.  But I really will be.

It is possible to meet that higher bar.  I attend a magnet school with a cirriculum that is extra-heavy on math and science, and this year I am taking a math course 2 levels higher than the highest offered in a normal high school, in addition to Honors chem, honors physics, and honors biology.  The problem with the American schooling system is not a lack of aptitude, but a lack of interest.  We need to figure out a method to eliminate apathy, not simply set the bar lower for those who will don't try. 


Edited by rileydog22 - May 05 2007 at 22:51

..that better be sarcastic.....

Exactly...

stonebeard wrote: The thing is, universal health care would make taxes explode. It needs to be done, but we need to take the budget and make it not so militaristic and capitalistic. We need to pump cash into education and health care. The best way to make our country great is through education, simply.

stonebeard wrote: The thing is, universal health care would make taxes explode. It needs to be done, but we need to take the budget and make it not so militaristic and capitalistic. We need to pump cash into education and health care. The best way to make our country great is through education, simply.

stonebeard wrote: Well, going back to the future El Presidente, assuming we somehow unf**k our situation abroad, what should get done socially on the homefront?

Proletariat wrote: marktheshark wrote: Proletariat wrote: marktheshark wrote: Proletariat wrote: Oh and by the way when you say that "The people are just too stupid to make the right choices!" you sound more like a faciast than anything, democracy is based on the idea that people are right. So when you say that balancing media is wrong it sounds like your saying "but only if the dems do it" I was being sarcastic! Of course the people are right! That's my whole point! The Dems want to balance the media by way of the government and NOT the free market. Get it? Hello? then again you are talking to someone who thinks that free market is bull, its not free at all, free market simply transferes the power from politicians to CEO's. the corperations are the ones that really controll the country right now, the president is more of a figure head, a puppet if you will, diffrent componies back different canidates, who pass laws in that componies favour, making the corperation stronger, so that they can get more politicians into offices where they can pass favourable laws, so that the CEO's can get rich while starving workers overseas die of hunger. but thats just my opinion. Look my friend, I'm 50 years old and have been an independent businessman for about 17 years, and I don't deny the corruption that happens in the free market. But these situations like ie Enron, Wal-Mart or whatever need to be dealt with individually and not used as some vehicle to scrap the whole system. And BTW, have you ever thought about just how MORE hungry these overseas workers would be without their jobs? What do you suggest, we pay them CEO salaries? The problemm lies within their own oppressive dictatorship governments. Don't go pointing the finger at our own free market system, that's just too easy of a target. Oh and far as Dems being capitalists, it sure comes in handy when lining their pockets with cash. But it's a different story when it comes to lining their pockets with votes! see, but your still looking at things through the lens of capitalism. I am a Communist. Say what you will I still belive that one day the worlds poor hungry masses will rise up against capitallism and found a communist system. (not like the soviet union) I think that in a world where the concern is not about money we could focous our energys on productive endevors such as finding a way to save this planet before we kill ourselves. oh and as for the workers, they lived fine before they went to the factories and could still live without them.  They starve just as much with subsistance farming as with factory wages, and no I dont suggest paying them ceo wages, I suggest paying CEOs worker wages, which would be considerably higher if they were all paid the same.

I'm not wealthy, I'm just a small businesman and believe me I've been up against THE MAN several times. Usually in the form of government intervention and NOT some big corporate big-wig bullying me.

Communism has been tried almost every which way but loose and has always failed. Why? Simple, there's an obsacle called freedom that seems to get in the way. Freedom is not a want or a desire, but simply an instinct! An instinct that a lot of people seem to fear. We hear this saying that some people or countries are not ready for freedom or it's not for them. Bull manure! It's for everybody! Freedom takes courage, it's never easy and it depends on the individual and not the collective.

Yes, there are more poor people than there are rich people in this world and that is unfortunate. But just what are your definitions of poor people? The poor people here in the US today are living like the middle-class in the 70's. Maybe even better. So how do you judge a standard of living? Where do you set the bar? Sounds like you're going down a slippery slope of religious judgmentalism of some sort.

i would rather write in vote my cat than vote for Hillary.  She's just too overhyped and overrated.  She's not as smart as she claims to be and her politics are too vague.

I'm an Obama man for the moment (I'm not actually a Democrat though - I'm a totalitarian monarchist)