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Abstrakt
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 01:13 |
If he was prog related, than so would Kraftwerk be.
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 01:10 |
Well this brings us back to whether or not this is a "Progressive site" or a "Progressive Rock" site. I always believed this to be a "Progressive Rock" site. Otherwise we have become a mirror image of Bradley Smith's book "The Billboard guide to Progressive Music". I, for one would be disappointed if that were so. Although the inclusion of many of the artists already on this site would actually seem to infer the latter. Artists such as J. M Jarre, Tangerine Dream, Captain Beefheart, Eno, Kate Bush, 10cc, Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, Klaus Schulze and many, many others, I believe, have no place whatsoever on a Progressive rock site and should, if at all, be classified under prog-related (and some just are out-and-out pop IMO). With that in mind, where do you stop with "prog-related"? It seems like every Tom, Dick and Harry (an English term for all you who are saying "what?" - meaning seemingly everyone) is in that category. I have just seen a proposal for Tom Waits. The aurgument against was that he was "progressive" but not "progressive rock" - I would classify him as a viurtual twin of C. Beefheart - so, why one and not another? This type of debate will rage on and on, obviously, with people's perceptions and desires being what they are.
I don't like seeing some of the classifications / inclusions on ProgArchives because of how I view genres, but I have to accept that it is NOT my site and I am a participating guest. It certainly does not mar my enjoyment, after all, I can just skip all that I do not agree with. It's all an a image of the democratic society that we live in anyway - so, live and let live.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 00:21 |
Jarre's Experimentation???
He just plays mainstream music with a lot of pop elements and a lot of electronic bugs, that's all
Look at the people jump and clap mooving their booties at his encore or the boring Sax song for his friend the astronaut.
Oxygen from omne to the infinite are only variations over the same theme, his song with the huge children chorus is pompous and spectacular but not challenging at all.
Yopu can't compare him with Mike Oldfield who has Fusion and Symphonic elements or Eno and much less with the spacey Tangerine Dream.
If it wasn't for his spectacular show, would not be worth a listen IMO.
The case was discussed in the Collaborators section ad all the posts agreed, some really harsh about about his music and most agree he's very poppy.
Iván
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I|I|I|I|I
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 23:28 |
Well, by definition, I don't think progressive electronic necessarily means progressive electronic rock... I definitely wouldn't characterize Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream, or Brian Eno's ambient stuff as rock, but it's all certainly progressive. Jean-Michel Jarre is at least as progressive as these guys, if not more - meaning, it's more musically intelligent and adventurous than a lot of other music when it was composed. I would say Jarre's experimentation is certainly more musically interesting than some of Eno's highly regarded ambient work, at least.
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 23:13 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Jarre is indeed an electronic musician. Whether he's progressive or not is a matter of opinion. I do like his stuff, though. |
Well, that's the central point in debate, we're not talking about simple electronic because in that case we should add most DJ's, trance and a lot of Hip Hop.
The problem is if he's Progressive Rock artist or not, I believe he isn't, I objected his inclusion but had nothing to do with his move to Prog Related even when I agree 200%.
IMO Most of his stuff is just effectist music for a good show and nothing else.
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Yes, but I think he kicks Mike Oldfield's ass.
Edited by Atavachron - November 01 2006 at 23:14
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 22:54 |
Atavachron wrote:
Jarre is indeed an electronic musician. Whether he's progressive or not is a matter of opinion. I do like his stuff, though. |
Well, that's the central point in debate, we're not talking about simple electronic because in that case we should add most DJ's, trance and a lot of Hip Hop.
The problem is if he's Progressive Rock artist or not, I believe he isn't, I objected his inclusion but had nothing to do with his move to Prog Related even when I agree 200%.
IMO Most of his stuff is just effectist music for a good show and nothing else.
Iván
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 22:37 |
Jarre is indeed an electronic musician. Whether he's progressive or not is a matter of opinion. I do like his stuff, though.
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 21:25 |
Seeing my favorite progressive electronic artist getting demoted to Prog Related is something I take personally.
Well, not exactly. But you get the idea. I mean, the guy is JUST AS progressive as Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, and other artists at the top of the genre. So my vote goes to Progressive Electronic, not Prog Related.
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