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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 03:22
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

 

 A bit of a mess of a list isn't it? Would be far from happy to see this level of inaccuracy in PA for any artist's discography

 Dates wrong, titles wrong  ( 7th Galaxy!!!!), track titles mixed up with album titles (this is in fact intentional throughout the book records are in speach marks and tracks without  in italic ) - & Wizzard????

 
... and the guy even got payed for  it Wink, it's taken from the ‘Dictionnaire du Jazz‘[Laffont] (1994) , which is a really good reference book IMO, and I still think it's a good entry list and yes I agree with you the author should have been more careful,  Xavier Daverat deserves  a serious spanking....LOL
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 23:21
I discovered prog through jazz rock, favorites of mine are Return to Forever, Caravan, and Billy Cohbam's solo work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 18:20
^^Gents, which is the best If album to start off with...?  If they compare favourably with e.g. Chicago Transit Authority's first, I'm interested...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 13:43
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Grand band and my favorite brass rock group tending to jazz. Have you seen there is a good live recording available on CD (recorded in 1972 in Europe) - there is also another album Tea Break Over - which alas If are past their prime with only a few of the original line-up playing. Part of the band became Zzebra and of course by the 1979/80 the successful Morrisey-Mullen Band.
I'm going to have to lighten my wallet a little and get this live cd.  I never saw them (one of the few bands I always wanted to see) so the live cd will be a must. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 07:54
Grand band and my favorite brass rock group tending to jazz. Have you seen there is a good live recording available on CD (recorded in 1972 in Europe) - there is also another album Tea Break Over - which alas If are past their prime with only a few of the original line-up playing. Part of the band became Zzebra and of course by the 1979/80 the successful Morrisey-Mullen Band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 00:25
I haven't noticed much discussion about the British jazz\rock group IF.  I found them while in college in the mid 70s and fell in love with them.  Sort of an edgier cross between Blood, Sweat & Tears and Chicago.  I have four of their albums (I know they have more):
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 20:33
 
Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

The following list come from the Jazz-Rock chapter of the ‘Dictionnaire du Jazz‘[Laffont] (1994) written by Xavier Daverat. I don’t agree with everything,  but in a whole it gives a good overlook over Jazz –Rock and the subsections make sense  in terms of developpment of the genre. Records are in quotations marks songs without.

 

1.Proto Jazz-Rock /British Jazz-Rock:

 

Blodwyn Pig - "Ahead Rings Out" (1969)

Graham Bond:  The Grass Is Greener (1963)/ Walkin In The Park (1966)

Colosseum : “Those Who Are About To Die Salute You” (1969)/ “Live” (1971)

Dada : “Dada” (1971)

Dick Heckstall Smith : The Pirate’s Deam (1972)

King Crimson :  Lizard (1970)/ “Islands” (1971)

Manfred Mann: “Chapter Three” (1970)/ “Solar Fire”(1974)

Matching Mole : “Little Red Record” (1972)

Mogul Trash : “Same” (1971)

Nucleus : “We’ll Talk About It Later” (1971)

Soft Machine : Out Bloody Rageous (1970)/ “Six” (1973)

Wizzard : Ball Park Incident (1973)

Robert Wyatt : “Rock Bottom” (1975)


 

2. US Jazz-Rock:

 

Carla Bley : “Escalator Over The Hill” (1968-71)

Gary Burton : Open Your Eyes, You Can Fly (1973)

Stanley Clarke : “Journey To Love” (1976)

Billy Cobham : “Spectrum” (1973)

Larry Corryell : “Spaces” (1969)

Miles Davis : “In A Silent Way” (1969)/ “Bitches Brew (1969)/ “ At Fillmore” (1970) / “Live Evil” (1970)

Al DI Meola : Suite , Golden Dawn (1976)

Jan Hammer : “The First Seven Days” (1975)

Herbie Hancock : “Fat Albert Rotunda” 1970)/ “Sextant” (1972)/

Keith Jarrett : “Hymn & Spheres” (1976)

John Mc Laughlin “ My Golas Beyond (1970)/ A Love Supreme (woth C. Santana) (1973)

Mahavishnu Orchestra : ‘Birds Of Fire” (1972)/ “Visions Of The Emerald Beyond” (1974)

Michael Mantler : “No Answer” (1973) / “Silence” (1976)/ “Movies” (1977)

Wayne Shorter : “Supernova” (1969)

Return To Forever : You’re Everything (1972)/ “Hymn To The Eleventh Galaxy” (1973)

Weather Report : Orange Lady (1971) /Boogie Woogie Waltz (1973) / “Black Market” (1975)

Tony Williams Lifetime : “Turn It Over” (1971)

 

3. Brass & Big Band Jazz Rock:

 

Blood , Sweat & Tears : Blues Part 2 (1969)/ “New Blood “ (1972)

Chicago Transit Authority : “ Live At Carnegie Hall” (1971)

Flock : “Clown (1969)/ “Dinosaur Swamps” (1970)

Ides Of March : Vehicle (1970)

Frank Zappa : “Chunga’s Revenge” (1970)/ “The Grand Wazzoo” (1972)/ Waka Jawaka (1973)

United Jazz and Rock Ensemble (all star band featuring John Hiseman - drums, Eberhard Weber - bass, Volker Kriegel - guitar, Wolfgang Dauner - keyboards, Barbara Thompson - saxes and flute, Charlie Mariano - saxes, flute, nagaswaram, Ian Carr - trumpet, Ack van Royen - trumpet and flugelhorn, Albert Mangelsdorff - trombone) - Live im Schützenhaus (1975)

 

4. European Jazz Rock :

 

Burnin Red Ivanhoe : “ M144” (1969)

Krokodil : Looking At Time (1972)

Magma :  Stoah (1970)

Jean Luc Ponty : It Must Be A Camel (1969)/ Cantaloupe Island (1969)

Terje Rypdal : Keep It Like That Tight (1971)

Supersister : “Iskander” (1973)

 

 

 



A bit of a mess of a list isn't it? Would be far from happy to see this level of inaccuracy in PA for any artist's discography

 Dates wrong, titles wrong  ( 7th Galaxy!!!!), track titles mixed up with album titles - & Wizzard????
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 17:09
I would like to add one of today's best big bands: the WDR big band (WDR is a radio a and tv station with 5 radio channels, one tv channel and participation in a 2nd tv channel), here a link to their homepage:
http://www.wdr.de/radio/orchester/big_band/eng/index.phtml


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 15:02
Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

The following list come from the Jazz-Rock chapter of the ‘Dictionnaire du Jazz‘[Laffont] (1994) written by Xavier Daverat. I don’t agree with everything,  but in a whole it gives a good overlook over Jazz –Rock and the subsections make sense  in terms of developpment of the genre. Records are in quotations marks songs without.

 

1.Proto Jazz-Rock /British Jazz-Rock:

 

Blodwyn Pig - "Ahead Rings Out" (1969)

Graham Bond:  The Grass Is Greener (1963)/ Walkin In The Park (1966)

Colosseum : “Those Who Are About To Die Salute You” (1969)/ “Live” (1971)

Dada : “Dada” (1971)

Dick Heckstall Smith : The Pirate’s Deam (1972)

King Crimson :  Lizard (1970)/ “Islands” (1971)

Manfred Mann: “Chapter Three” (1970)/ “Solar Fire”(1974)

Matching Mole : “Little Red Record” (1972)

Mogul Trash : “Same” (1971)

Nucleus : “We’ll Talk About It Later” (1971)

Soft Machine : Out Bloody Rageous (1970)/ “Six” (1973)

Wizzard : Ball Park Incident (1973)

Robert Wyatt : “Rock Bottom” (1975)


 

2. US Jazz-Rock:

 

Carla Bley : “Escalator Over The Hill” (1968-71)

Gary Burton : Open Your Eyes, You Can Fly (1973)

Stanley Clarke : “Journey To Love” (1976)

Billy Cobham : “Spectrum” (1973)

Larry Corryell : “Spaces” (1969)

Miles Davis : “In A Silent Way” (1969)/ “Bitches Brew (1969)/ “ At Fillmore” (1970) / “Live Evil” (1970)

Al DI Meola : Suite , Golden Dawn (1976)

Jan Hammer : “The First Seven Days” (1975)

Herbie Hancock : “Fat Albert Rotunda” 1970)/ “Sextant” (1972)/

Keith Jarrett : “Hymn & Spheres” (1976)

John Mc Laughlin “ My Golas Beyond (1970)/ A Love Supreme (woth C. Santana) (1973)

Mahavishnu Orchestra : ‘Birds Of Fire” (1972)/ “Visions Of The Emerald Beyond” (1974)

Michael Mantler : “No Answer” (1973) / “Silence” (1976)/ “Movies” (1977)

Wayne Shorter : “Supernova” (1969)

Return To Forever : You’re Everything (1972)/ “Hymn To The Eleventh Galaxy” (1973)

Weather Report : Orange Lady (1971) /Boogie Woogie Waltz (1973) / “Black Market” (1975)

Tony Williams Lifetime : “Turn It Over” (1971)

 

3. Brass & Big Band Jazz Rock:

 

Blood , Sweat & Tears : Blues Part 2 (1969)/ “New Blood “ (1972)

Chicago Transit Authority : “ Live At Carnegie Hall” (1971)

Flock : “Clown (1969)/ “Dinosaur Swamps” (1970)

Ides Of March : Vehicle (1970)

Frank Zappa : “Chunga’s Revenge” (1970)/ “The Grand Wazzoo” (1972)/ Waka Jawaka (1973)

United Jazz and Rock Ensemble (all star band featuring John Hiseman - drums, Eberhard Weber - bass, Volker Kriegel - guitar, Wolfgang Dauner - keyboards, Barbara Thompson - saxes and flute, Charlie Mariano - saxes, flute, nagaswaram, Ian Carr - trumpet, Ack van Royen - trumpet and flugelhorn, Albert Mangelsdorff - trombone) - Live im Schützenhaus (1975)

 

4. European Jazz Rock :

 

Burnin Red Ivanhoe : “ M144” (1969)

Krokodil : Looking At Time (1972)

Magma :  Stoah (1970)

Jean Luc Ponty : It Must Be A Camel (1969)/ Cantaloupe Island (1969)

Terje Rypdal : Keep It Like That Tight (1971)

Supersister : “Iskander” (1973)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 14:54
Thanks for the info, Alucard! I recommend the Live album, and I'll buy myself my own copy if I find one (a friend sent me the songs for me to listen but no info, just the warm recommendation). Somehow I didn't manage to find anything via google because "El Grupo" simply means "The Band" in Spanish and the search results were highly irrelevant. Great name, by the way! Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 14:37
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Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

^^^I haven't listened to any italian jazz-fusion but hope to do so in the near future
I'm not an expert in Italian jazz-fusion, but I often visit a very interesting website called "MovimentiProg" (www.movimentiprog.org), which hosts excellent reviews of bands otherwise quite unknown outside Italy. Speakers of Spanish should find it relatively easy to read these reviews and find out about new (and not so new) Italian jazz-fusion acts. In my visits to the site I've read about quite a few of them!


I find italian harder to read
      
But thanks, I'll be sure to look it up
     

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 13:47

 Live

El Grupo,
 'Toto' spinoff with Steve Lukather on guitar & vocals.
"El Grupo's first Live record was released as a special limited edition digipack of 1,000 copies and is sold exclusively at El Grupo's European shows in November 2005 ≈ 50 pieces per show, one per person.

The album features 5 very extended tracks of classic rock and fusion tunes that allow all band members to stretch out and show their unique talent. The live recording captures all the fun and looseness on stage and makes the listener feel the great vibes of the shows. "

El Grupo:

Steve Lukather - Guitar & Vocals
Joey Heredia - Drums, Percussion & Chant
Steve Weingart - Keyboards
Oskar Cartaya - Bass

Tracklist:

1. Dismemberment (15:21)
Lenny Castro/David Garfield
2. I'm Buzzed (16:52)
Michael Landau
3. Birdland (9:45)
J. Zawinul
4. Little Wing (10:14)
Jimi Hendrix
5. Led Boots (13:28)
Max Middleton
 
I will  give it a listen!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 13:21
Anyone aware of this band, El Grupo? This is the album I got to listen to - http://www.amazon.com/Live-El-Grupo/dp/B000L6AYY0/sr=1-1/qid=1169835365/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-0474926-0138366?ie=UTF8&s=music - they would make a great addition to the PA, IMO.
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Originally posted by polyrythmic polyrythmic wrote:

    Jazz Rock is one of my favorite genres, but I have a real obssesion with the Jazzier side of Cantebury Scene!
 
The best jazz historians will remind that Canterbury - particuarly though Soft Machine - were most influential on the European jazz rock scene, and this happening when jazz rock was just moving above ground in the States. Interesting to read in the Robert Wyatt biography that the American jazz scene were enthusiastic about the Softs too- apparently Miles Davis attended gigs, Ornette Coleman hosted parties for the band (and this before 1970) - I'm damned sure some of Chick Corea's earlier electric playing was influenced by Ratledge. On a  very intriguing (repro of a) postcard home,  Wyatt reports he sat in which Chicago (in Chicago).
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    Jazz Rock is one of my favorite genres, but I have a real obssesion with the Jazzier side of Cantebury Scene!
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John Mclauglin was rare example how to be clean all the time, but he found his drug in religion (Sri Chimony).
 
 
Not according to Paul Stump's Mclaughlin biography, Go Ahead John - happen to be reading it at the moment, along with Michael Palin's Diaries and Richard Dawkins God Delusion. McLaughlin indulged well in London during the 60's on what ever was going, eventually  discovering one form of the opiate of the people towards the end of that decade and presumably avoiding dodgy chemicals since.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 02:30
Doors of perception was fascination to Jim Morison also.
John Mclauglin was rare example how to be clean all the time, but he found his drug in religion (Sri Chimony).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2007 at 05:51
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

And very greedy man also.
 

Reading Hendrix biography, I could not noticed that he asked from Hendrix manager 100.000 $ (1969) just for his appearance on the gig.

 

Heroin must have been expensive even back then. The Dark Magus (Davis) is not a personal idol to me, but his contribution to music makes up for personal shortcomings. His recurring heroin use is openly declared in his biorgraphy. Born in that violent society of the US, having experienced great humiliation for no reason - no wonder that he just wanted to try for every penny he could extract. Doing it to Hendrix though, a fellow black American doesn't seem to be a nice gesture.

 

Davis's biggest paradox was that whilst he had a strong grudge against whites, whites were the ones who supported him, appreciated his music the most. Perhaps he felt somewhat let down by his own natural blood-line? It's not fair on Hendrix anyway. 

 

    
Yes that's true.
One month after Woodstock Hendrix had a gig (charity) in Harlem. First they stole his guitar, then 80% of the audience leave before him (only 500 stayed.
He was so disapointed that he finished his appearence with : f**k you and good night.
Miles and Hendrix was not very glad that most of their admirers and audience were white.
 
'Grudge' is probably the wrong word - why did Davis employ so many white musicians in his last 30 years? Why did Miles want the selling power and audiences that bought and attended the new fangled rock music of the late 60's (predominantly white)? Davis was a middle class black American , son of doctors, good education, who because of where his music took him, discovered the worst of racial prejudice. And read and understand the sociology of drug-taking and jazz, e.g. through the autobiography of Mez Mezrow in Really The Blues - - hard drugs when first taken by jazz artists were seen as doors of perception (to borrow author Audous Huxley's terminology), taking them to new compositional and musical heights. Maybe, until they became badly hooked, there was slight truth in this - but once hooked by the man, total f**k-up. At least some of the hard drug users escaped H or whatever. Booze and its addiction for example carried away Bix Beiderbeck at the end of the 20's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2007 at 05:18
Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

^^^I haven't listened to any italian jazz-fusion but hope to do so in the near future


I'm not an expert in Italian jazz-fusion, but I often visit a very interesting website called "MovimentiProg" (www.movimentiprog.org), which hosts excellent reviews of bands otherwise quite unknown outside Italy. Speakers of Spanish should find it relatively easy to read these reviews and find out about new (and not so new) Italian jazz-fusion acts. In my visits to the site I've read about quite a few of them!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2007 at 05:06
Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

And very greedy man also.
 

Reading Hendrix biography, I could not noticed that he asked from Hendrix manager 100.000 $ (1969) just for his appearance on the gig.

 

Heroin must have been expensive even back then. The Dark Magus (Davis) is not a personal idol to me, but his contribution to music makes up for personal shortcomings. His recuring heroin use is openly declared in his biorgraphy. Born in that violent society of the US, having experienced great humiliation for no reason - no wonder that he just wanted to try for every penny he could extract. Doing it to Hendrix though, a fellow black American doesn't seem to be a nice gesture.

 

Davis's biggest paradox was that whilst he had a strong grudge against whites, whites were the ones who supported him, appreciated his music the most. Perhaps he felt somewhat let down by his own natural blood-line? It's not fair on Hendrix anyway. 

 

    
Yes that's true.
One mont after Woodstock Hendrix had a gig (charity) in Harlem. First they stole his guitar, than 80% of the audience leave before him (only 500 stayed.
He was so disapointed that he finished his appirience with : f**k you and good night.
Miles and Hendrix was not very glad that most of their admires and audience was white.
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