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avestin

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Posted: April 22 2006 at 05:15

M@X wrote:

New feature coming: ALBUM BY GENRE

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Posted: April 22 2006 at 00:14

M@X wrote:

No more HARD PROG , sorry for the confusion..

we will re-think about this ...

New feature coming: ALBUM BY GENRE

stay tuned Cool

I don't think that change could generate confusion, If every band conserve their generic style and inside it we have the style of the album.

Examples:

Opeth - Progressive Metal (Ghost Reveries: Progressive Metal; Damnation: Symphonic (Soft?) Prog, etc...

Rush - Art Rock (Rush: Prog Related, 2112: Hard Prog Rock?, Moving Pictures: Art Rock...

The only problem is know the general genre of each band, a lot of bands change their style frecuently (King Crimson or "even" Sieges Even recently -the fantastic Navigating by the Stars-), but this is an inherent problem to prog: the progressiveness.

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 23:10

M@X wrote:

No more HARD PROG , sorry for the confusion..

we will re-think about this ...

New feature coming: ALBUM BY GENRE

stay tuned Cool

Initially my reaction to this intended move was - Wow Great!!

- However I am inclined to agree with MustShaveBeard - that this will create confusion. I personally feel that Progressive Rock Groups/Musicians are well catagorized now into their various genres. Most groups do develop and change their styles over their period of existence particularly those who have been going for more than 10years which I think that most Prog fans understand. King Crimson is a good example of diverse changes during it's 30+years of existence. Why place King Crimson under several sub-genres to reflect this change, when historically it will always be regarded as a pioneering symphonic prog (or Art Rock!!) group? It seems to me to be a lot unnecessary(?) extra work, to change a system that is very good as it is.

BTW it may sound that I am adverse to change - I am not, generally speaking. Only on this occassion.

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Edited by valravennz - April 21 2006 at 23:27

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 22:43

M@X wrote:

No more HARD PROG , sorry for the confusion..

we will re-think about this ...

New feature coming: ALBUM BY GENRE

stay tuned Cool

Oh, come on; that would really make a confusing mess of things.

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 22:30

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Dirk wrote:

If Gentle Giant is "Hard prog" then certainly Echolyn should be there too? If hard prog is meant as hard to get into, complex then it occurs to me I have never had too much problems getting into (most) Gentle Giant songs. A band like ELP is more difficult for me although i think i ultimately like them. As i don't know yet what "Hard prog" is supposed to mean i reserve judgement.

I think they're more symphonic as a band. Some songs are similar to Gentle Giant, as are some Spock's Beard songs ... but not the whole albums.

I always thougt GG were pretty symphonic in the first place. Nowadays Echolyn doesn't resemble GG too much but albums as "As the world" and "Suffocating the bloom" have a distinct GG ring about them .These are also the albums that i love the most of this band.

The site is changing pretty fast the last days, keeps us interested Smile

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 22:05

M@X wrote:

No more HARD PROG , sorry for the confusion..

we will re-think about this ...

New feature coming: ALBUM BY GENRE

stay tuned Cool

sounds great!!

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 22:03

M@X wrote:

No more HARD PROG , sorry for the confusion..

we will re-think about this ...

New feature coming: ALBUM BY GENRE

stay tuned Cool

I suggest that we'll have both genre by album and genre by band at the same time.

Example: Zappa (main genre, RIO/Avant-Prog) Subgenres for Zappa:

Jazz-Rock/Fusion: Hot Rats, Waka/Jawaka, The Grand Wazoo, One Size Fits All, Sleep Dirt

Prog-Rock: Over-Nite Sensation, Apostrophe, Joe's Garage etc.

etc.

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:59

I think they're more symphonic as a band. Some songs are similar to Gentle Giant, as are some Spock's Beard songs ... but not the whole albums.

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:59

No more HARD PROG , sorry for the confusion..

we will re-think about this ...

New feature coming: ALBUM BY GENRE

stay tuned Cool

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:50

If Gentle Giant is "Hard prog" then certainly Echolyn should be there too? If hard prog is meant as hard to get into, complex then it occurs to me I have never had too much problems getting into (most) Gentle Giant songs. A band like ELP is more difficult for me although i think i ultimately like them. As i don't know yet what "Hard prog" is supposed to mean i reserve judgement.

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:45

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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stonebeard wrote:

My question is: who else is going to end up in this category?

The problem is that many "hard Prog" bands as I see it are already in Proto-Prog Confused

Which ones?

For example:
Clear Blue Sky
Still Life
Ashkan
Fuzzy Duck
Black Widow
Beggar's Opera
etc....

I know some of these aren't Proto, but most of them I can see as "hard Prog."

Edited by Zac M - April 21 2006 at 21:46

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:41

Zac M wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

My question is: who else is going to end up in this category?

The problem is that many "hard Prog" bands as I see it are already in Proto-Prog Confused

Which ones?

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:40

- Gordian Knot

- The Mars Volta

- Anekdoten

- Bigelf

- Robert Fripp

- Nemo

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:37

stonebeard wrote:

My question is: who else is going to end up in this category?

The problem is that many "hard Prog" bands as I see it are already in Proto-Prog Confused

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Edited by Zac M - April 21 2006 at 21:37

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:36

My question is: who else is going to end up in this category?

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:15

Rust wrote:

I'm sorry that you feel irritated with this new move, Mike. Glad you thought of the idea first and I want to give you a

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for your good

Thanks!

Actually I feel that it's a very logical move! I'm just irritated with how this move was carried out.

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:13

I'm sorry that you feel irritated with this new move, Mike. Glad you thought of the idea first and I want to give you a

and a

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:13

Empathy wrote:

If "hard prog" is intended as "difficult", I agree.

Here's a list of synonyms we could use:

ambitious, arduous, backbreaking, ball-buster, bothersome, burdensome, challenging, crucial, demanding, difficile, effortful, exacting, formidable, galling, Gargantuan, hard, hard-won, heavy, herculean, immense, intricate, irritating, labored, laborious, man-sized, no picnic, not easy, onerous, operose, painful, problem, problematic, prohibitive, rigid, severe, stiff, strenuous, titanic, toilsome, tough, troublesome, trying, unyielding, uphill, upstream, wearisome

I like "Onerous Prog" myself! Big smile

(Just goofing around - I like all 3 of these bands)

That looks like one of the genre definitions which my website generates!

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:10

If "hard prog" is intended as "difficult", I agree.

Here's a list of synonyms we could use:

ambitious, arduous, backbreaking, ball-buster, bothersome, burdensome, challenging, crucial, demanding, difficile, effortful, exacting, formidable, galling, Gargantuan, hard, hard-won, heavy, herculean, immense, intricate, irritating, labored, laborious, man-sized, no picnic, not easy, onerous, operose, painful, problem, problematic, prohibitive, rigid, severe, stiff, strenuous, titanic, toilsome, tough, troublesome, trying, unyielding, uphill, upstream, wearisome

I like "Onerous Prog" myself! Big smile

(Just goofing around - I like all 3 of these bands)

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Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:07

I think this extra catagory is a great move forward. When you don't pay too much attention to the semantics of the word "hard" and assume it stands for "hard" as in "hardliner", thus meaning something like rigorous, uncompromising, it's not a bad name for the music of these bands. Allthough I think the final answer to the whole classification "problem" can only come when you can classify the albums by genre (I saw in another thread M@X is working on that). Why can't a band be in more than one (sub)-genre? Once made a symphonic album (ITCOTKC), allways a symphonic band (KC)?? That's quite ridiculous. It doesn't diminish the fact though that ITCOTKC is symphonic rock.

Just my 2 cents