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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2004 at 08:23
Speaking as a complete guitar non-player, but officianado of the sounds made thereby, I would have to say overall I prefer the Gibson - 335s, Les Pauls, SGs (especially the 6/12 double neck).

Just my humble opinion, you understand, but can anyone resist melting when Carlos Santana (I know, I know, not prog) belts out a solo on the ol' SG? Can anyone defy the old tear in the eye when Hackett plays Firth Of Fifth on the Les Paul?

However, would a Gilmour solo sound as perfect if played on anything other than a Stratocaster(the other side of the coin being would any Status Quo sound any better if not played on Telecasters ).

Personally, I can only think of one guitarist who switched alleigance from Gibson to Fender - Frank Zappa; late 60's through to the end of the 70's, he was never seen with anything other than the trusty SG or Les Paul - then he switches to the Strat.....curious (mind you, all his guitars were so full of electronics, that the body shape was the only original part to survive).

All the above may seem ignorant twaddle to all you plank spankers out there (personally, I feel an instrument should be the size of a small sideboard & weigh the same as Danbo, and the same goes for the amp - or 'cabinet' as us Hammond types prefer), but I thought the input of a non guitarist may add a certain je ne sais quoi - ie, give you guys something to laugh about, and point with derision.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2004 at 04:41

Originally posted by HaroldTheBarrel HaroldTheBarrel wrote:

Being a bass player, I have to say Fender, but I prefer Gibson guitars (I don't play guitar quite as well, but I'm learning...). So, both I suppose. I'm neutral. yay!

I don't think I've ever seen a Gibson made bass played by anyone famous (did that guy in G 'N R use a Gibbo bass? I'm not sure)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2004 at 04:39
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The best thing I ever discovered for my Westie is the Pod XT. The more I hear it, the more I like it. I do think it's good etc, etc, etc.

Yeah, the Pod XT is a great little box and can really help to even out some of the weaker sonic areas that my guitars exhibit. However, you can't beat a good amp, cranked up loud for that sweet responsive touch.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2004 at 18:05
Being a bass player, I have to say Fender, but I prefer Gibson guitars (I don't play guitar quite as well, but I'm learning...). So, both I suppose. I'm neutral. yay!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2004 at 12:39

Not having played many other guitars, I can only speak for my little Westone - but the active gain switch is perfect for distorted tones - it adds exactly the right amount of punch, and always solicits a "Wow" from people when I click it in (I have to say that the "Wow" thus solicited has nothing to do with my somewhat amateur playing style...  ).

If anything, I find the guitar a little "boxy" in most tonal regions without the gain switched in - I generally have to EQ like mad to get a balanced tone, especially if I switch between pickups. But hey, it was cheap, sounds good, and suits my overly dramatic style of riffing. My solos are definitely not my trademark...

The tone boost is fairly redundant, as it seems to cut bass in order to boost treble, but the coil-split is fantastic for getting those Joe Satriani sounds. A couple of slides and a bit of "widdly bluff" and you can fool most non-guitarists into thinking you can play... I like my guitar to sound "hot".

The best thing I ever discovered for my Westie is the Pod XT. The more I hear it, the more I like it. I do think it's good etc, etc, etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2004 at 09:40
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

There's a good topic- active or passive?

For bass, it's mostly moot, but how many of you folks like active guitar pickups? I can never get them to sound right for distorted tones (too boxy on the bass end, especially), but I like 'em for clean and slightly dirty sounds.

Yeah good question. I used a Steinberg which had active picups and a push/pull pot which selected single or humbucker configs. The active picups always seemed to run too hot for my tastes and tended to ignore the guitar's body in favour of it's own character.

I think that they do help bass guitars though. Much more defined sound. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2004 at 09:37
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

They're collectors items now, I understand. Pity, I always wanted the bass version.

My bass player owns a Westone Thunder 1 bass. He doesn't use it but it's a left hander.    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2004 at 07:47

There's a good topic- active or passive?

For bass, it's mostly moot, but how many of you folks like active guitar pickups? I can never get them to sound right for distorted tones (too boxy on the bass end, especially), but I like 'em for clean and slightly dirty sounds.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 12:53

I've never had enough money for either - I bought a Westone Thunder 1A many, many moons ago, and still play it - wouldn't part with it!

For me it's the ideal budget compromise - the sustain is superb, especially when you switch in the active circuitry for an extra gain boost. The coils in the twin humbuckers can be split, for an out-of phase harmonic rich sound with all 4 single coils in play. The neck is slightly wider than a Fender, but narrower than a Gibson.

Problem areas; Tuning on the octave can be hit and miss unless you do some surruptitious bending, and the G is nearly impossible to get right. I know about equal temperament, but that string defies anyone's temperament

They're collectors items now, I understand. Pity, I always wanted the bass version.

I have a Fender Katana bass, which suits my manic style just fine - I particularly like the extremely narrow neck and amazingly low action with minimal fret buzz 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 12:02
I know what you mean.  Money doesn't mean it's gonna be good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 10:49

It's amazing that the price very rarely has anything to do with how much you love a guitar. I have a cheapo Squire Strat that I love as the action is just right and the feel of the neck is really comfortable.

I've owned guitars five times as expensive as the Squire that haven't given me the same thrill to play.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2004 at 16:49

I seem to have become  Fender guy - using a tele - mainly cause Fender's cheaper and, I find, more versatile than anything else. For example, my old Tele is an early Jap model that I snapped up for 200 old Irish pounds about a billion years ago and for years it was my axe of choice live with a cheapo Hohner ST 57 as back up.

Having said that, it's horses for courses.

I use an Epiphone G1275 6&12 string thing for obvious reasons on the 12 neck and for chunky lead on the six.

BY and large I'll use the Tele for rhythm stuff and switch to the Hohner for almost all the lead stuff. It's a cheap old strat copy but to my ears sounds better than 90 per cent of strats I've heard.

I think it just comes down to what feels conmfortable on a given piece of music.

I would, however, dearly love to get my hands on a 335 or similar. Now that would be fun....

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2004 at 16:22

Parkers have been around for quite a while, at least ten years. The cost is the problem. The Nightfly is not too expensive, but a custom will run up to $2,600.

One thing about styles.... they always come back around, so who really cares. If the axe feels rights.... go for it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2004 at 11:38
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

I'll second that- the Parker Custom is almost too good, I seem to double my prowess even on the cheaper bolt-on model (Nite-Fly?). The only other stock guitar I can compare them to is the PRS Santana (the original, not the Santana SE models...although those are still amazing when compared to most similarly priced guitars).

One thing I hate about Strats, though, is that I've never played one that didn't need constant re-tuning on the B string. You know, the one that you're about 75% more likely to bend regularly...even when in-tune, it always sounds a little off...or is that just a by-product of tempering?

 

Ronnie Stolt uses a Parker Fly a lot these days and I was tempted to get one but I worry they they will turn out to be the guitar equivilent of loon pants. I mean, look at Jackson and Charvel guitars back in the 80's. So cool back then but nowadays, you can't get arrested with 'em slung round your neck.

There is no denying they are great guitars but the styling could date...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2004 at 10:40

Thanks, I'll try some (MORE) bridge adjustments...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2004 at 08:08

Hmm, I used to have serious e-string sustain problems on my strat. I couldn't track it down, either; I tried a fret job, different pickups, altering the string height (in case there was too much 'pull' from the pickups). Turned out that my bridge was the problem; I had replaced the stock non-locking tremolo bridge with a Kahler trem, didn't like it, and swapped it back but I must have missed the alignment just enough to kill the response of that one string. It took several tries to get the bridge fastened right (the Kahler had required me to drill tune-o-matic spaced holes, so those had to be filled in and re-drilled with the Fender spacing).

That poor strat. Sometimes I wonder if it regrets being purchased by such a brutal master

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2004 at 01:17

Hey James. My strat has no sustain at the twelfth fret on the high E. How can I fix it? Is it a warp or a bridge adjustment?

Yeah, the frigger goes flat every other song and I'm always re-tuning. Yer Rocco looks like a good replacement!

The nightfly is sweet, but very strat like. The Custom sings. I almost bought one. I kept walking around and coming back to it and it was magic.... I even had the cash in pocket, but something hauled me back....  Seven years later, I'm still kicking myself in the arse, my ex ended up with the cash.... bitch!

 

What do you think of Gibson Hollow bodies?  I love that BB tone.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2004 at 23:05

I'll second that- the Parker Custom is almost too good, I seem to double my prowess even on the cheaper bolt-on model (Nite-Fly?). The only other stock guitar I can compare them to is the PRS Santana (the original, not the Santana SE models...although those are still amazing when compared to most similarly priced guitars).

One thing I hate about Strats, though, is that I've never played one that didn't need constant re-tuning on the B string. You know, the one that you're about 75% more likely to bend regularly...even when in-tune, it always sounds a little off...or is that just a by-product of tempering?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2004 at 21:27

I play a strat. At first I found Gibsons to be a bit fat and blocky, however, as I've progressed in my slim/weak abilities, I've found Gibson's, Les Paul custom actually, to be very comfortable and responsive to bends and basic action. I've played a few detroyers too, that felt good. Now, the SG, is really made for soloing. Light weight and comfy in the palm.

I think, as players progress in abilities, certain instruments can feel more comfotable than others. The guitar that I found consistantly lets me play beyond my abilities is the Parker Fly Custom. Stuff I struggle with on my strat, flows on the fly. Weird!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2004 at 10:07
Originally posted by The Owl The Owl wrote:

I'm an SG fan myself, my webpage explains why:

www.geocities.com/theowlwatches/sg.html

I've used SG's too and I like the way the body is so thin, you feel really close to the playing surface - right there in fact!

Now if it weren't for the bloody cramped Gibson fretboard, I much just be a convert. However, I can never fully dislike any guitar that is a hardtail...



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