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BiGi 
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 Posted: February 01 2006 at 04:53 |
 Man Overboard wrote:
Rumble Fish Twist, pointless? You're mad! Too Late For
Tomatoes is also one of their best instrumentals, and it's purely
improvised.  Christianopel is an acquired taste, but it's certainly not bad...
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Yes, I usually am completely out of my head 
But when it comes to music I prefer well-structured compositions.
I know many of you praise improvisation: well I'm not so much into it.
That's why I cannot digest tracks like the one I mentioned, or Providence and Starless and Bible Black by King Crimson or several of Emerson's extravaganzas!
I, on the other side, am very fond of instrumental tracks like TFK's Circus Brimstone (which is one of my favourite TFK's tracks and I consider a real masterpiece) or Anglagard's Jördrok, because they are well structured and autoconsistent even if they clock at more than 10 minutes each.
Ditto for what concerns Godspeed You Black Emperor's compositions: they follow a well-defined pattern and use buildups and fades to convey the dramaticity their tracks require.
Obviously that's my opinion!
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 10:31 |
< making extra long tracks for no good reasons except just making them long>
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Man Overboard
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 10:28 |
BiGi wrote:
OH MY GOD, YET ANOTHER ALBUM FROM TFK! It seems Roine Stolt really can't sit still...
And it's going to be a double one...should we expect LOTS of filler as with Unfold the Future?  |
Considering each disc is said to be just over 60 minutes, I doubt
there'll be filler... when Roine tries, he can get the 78 minutes
out of each disc.
BiGi wrote:
I like most of Flower Kings' works, but comparing them to Genesis would be a little excessive!
Moreover, Genesis (THANK GOD) never did record such pointless and annoying instrumental mayhems like Rumble fish twist, Christianopel, Too late for tomatoes and the like... |
Rumble Fish Twist, pointless? You're mad! Too Late For
Tomatoes is also one of their best instrumentals, and it's purely
improvised. Christianopel is an acquired taste, but it's certainly not bad...
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luc4fun
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 06:38 |
I recently discovered TFK and I am slowly getting their CDs.
Very very good band with talented musicians...May be one of the best bands around nowadays.
Anyway i wud not compare with Yes or Genesis.
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Sharier
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 05:44 |
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Now that I have been hearing the Flower Kings for several months now, I
can assertively say that no other band has successfully re-create and
utilise the seventies style prog-rock after the nineties. In fact I
don't think any other band even tried. That makes FK sound too good to
me. Style and patches sound like the seventies, yet all materials are
new and adventurous. Indeed sometimes FK sounds like the long lost
Genesis (if they continued, they would have made similar stuffs). I
can't find anything to complain against this fantastic band of new era.
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BiGi
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 04:28 |
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BiGi
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 04:11 |
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I like most of Flower Kings' works, but comparing them to Genesis would be a little excessive!
Moreover, Genesis (THANK GOD) never did record such pointless and annoying instrumental mayhems like Rumble fish twist, Christianopel, Too late for tomatoes and the like...
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Mongo
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 03:15 |
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They're good but not "that" good.
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Sir Hogweed
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 14:30 |
Moatilliatta wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you. The Flower Kings' musicianship and compositions are at the same level of quality, and I find them very enjoyable. The only thing is that Genesis was way before The Flower Kings. I think that's why everybody writes stuff like this off so quickly. The music is as good, but it's not as important (historically) or influential. I think it's unfair to judge based on the aforementioned.
It's like this in all areas of music it seems. When you ask someone who the greatest guitarist of all time is, majortiy vote will probably be to Jimi Hendrix. Why is this? Surely, it isn't because of his skill or songwriting. It's because of his groundbreaking ideas and techniques. He influenced so many. Nowadays, if you put Jimi up against (roughly) any guitarist (especially in prog), the other guy will destroy him.
So, I think The Flower Kings are as good, and as enjoyable as Genesis, but they will never get as much credit because of their chronological place in music.
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Yep indeed. TFK is an anachronism and I think their music isn't any less genuine because of that. It's high quality stuff, especially the epics.
Still... Supper's Ready may be my all time favorite epic .
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 14:04 |
Sean Trane wrote:
I always wondered if these guys were not the most aimless band around , making extra long tracks for no good reasons except just making them long. They just meander around, making circles, head North East South and West butactually go nowhere. |
Well, it's called p.r.o.g. Not for those who don't like a musical journey (or even roundtrip) once every now and then. I truly didn't expect to read this kind of language on a prog site.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 13:29 |
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you. The Flower Kings' musicianship and compositions are at the same level of quality, and I find them very enjoyable. The only thing is that Genesis was way before The Flower Kings. I think that's why everybody writes stuff like this off so quickly. The music is as good, but it's not as important (historically) or influential. I think it's unfair to judge based on the aforementioned.
It's like this in all areas of music it seems. When you ask someone who the greatest guitarist of all time is, majortiy vote will probably be to Jimi Hendrix. Why is this? Surely, it isn't because of his skill or songwriting. It's because of his groundbreaking ideas and techniques. He influenced so many. Nowadays, if you put Jimi up against (roughly) any guitarist (especially in prog), the other guy will destroy him.
So, I think The Flower Kings are as good, and as enjoyable as Genesis, but they will never get as much credit because of their chronological place in music.
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Manunkind
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 13:24 |
Let's see... both bands have a lot of brilliant moments, both can be equally boring/annoying, both have usually tolerable singers, Genesis is more original than TFK, TFK hasn't sold out.
So yeah, The Flower Kings is as good as Genesis.
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Flip_Stone
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 12:28 |
NO. It's extremely unlikely that The Flower Kings will ever even come close to the quality, originality, and intricacy of Genesis.
Personally, I don't think much of them. I wouldn't mind returning my copy of Adam and Eve (an utter waste of money IMHO).
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BebieM
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 11:49 |
Hmm, honestly? No, they're not!
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Man Overboard
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 10:38 |
The Flower Kings are easily, in my opinion, the best thing happening in music today.
...and what's this!? 
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Paulieg
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 09:55 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
transend wrote:
In a word, NO
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Yepper. They don't come even close to Genesis. The Flower Kings Bore me. Pre Collins era Genesis never bores me. Now if I were to compare Collins era Genesis to The Flowerkings, I'd opt for the latter.
Edited by Paulieg
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 09:48 |
samuel.jeronimo wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
transend wrote:
In a word, NO
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Yep too
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Yep four!!!!
Let us not loose sense of perspective: they do not come to waist-height of the 70's giants
While I agree that TFK's discography is much more even than Genesis or Yes, these guys invented NOTHING, pumping everything from the afore-mentioned groups, downright copying ans almost plagiarising them. I can only classify them as retro-prog - although I must admit the last album I listened from them is Stardust We Are but the last I heard was Space Revolver , but there is albsolutely no difference.
I always wondered if these guys were not the most aimless band around , making extra long tracks for no good reasons except just making them long. They just meander around, making circles, head North East South and West butactually go nowhere.
And they were dismal , the only time I ever saw them, live.
They stopped halfway through Retropolis (the tour was promoting that album or Stardust), because they could not do it all. But if memory serves me well, this was therir first tour with a permanent line-up
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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zbida
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 08:52 |
This must be a joke!
I like TFK - they create very interesting and mind-affected music, but certainly it's not the same level that Genesis.
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 08:44 |
Prog-jester wrote:
Are you kidding me????????
Hell NO!!Transatlantic,for instance,is more influenced by Beatles (just listen to Suite Charlotte Pike...a tribute to Abbey Road,IMHO  ),while TFK, along with Spock's Beard,are just FOLLOWERS of Yes,Camel and even Dream Theater.I'd rather prefer the second-quality neo-prog band,than something from this "new sympho" stuff.They'll never reach the position,that the old prog occupies.How can the New music emerge from the old basis?
A new messiahs???Ha-Ha!! They're a making a 4-stars CDs,not more.That's their maximum
IMHO,Toll & Opeth sound much progger and interesting then these cheesy guys
Well...that's does NOT mean ,that I'm NOT listening to them I have few albums from each band(TFK,SB,Trans etc),but I just despise their attitude to what their doing.Who do they think they are??? 
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WOW thats just your opinion prog jester just "your" opinion
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Prog-jester
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 08:36 |
Are you kidding me????????
Hell NO!!Transatlantic,for instance,is more influenced by Beatles (just listen to Suite Charlotte Pike...a tribute to Abbey Road,IMHO ),while TFK, along with Spock's Beard,are just FOLLOWERS of Yes,Camel and even Dream Theater.I'd rather prefer the second-quality neo-prog band,than something from this "new sympho" stuff.They'll never reach the position,that the old prog occupies.How can the New music emerge from the old basis?
A new messiahs???Ha-Ha!! They're a making a 4-stars CDs,not more.That's their maximum
IMHO,Toll & Opeth sound much progger and interesting then these cheesy guys
Well...that's does NOT mean ,that I'm NOT listening to them I have few albums from each band(TFK,SB,Trans etc),but I just despise their attitude to what their doing.Who do they think they are???
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flower Kings ... as good as genesis??
