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Reed Lover 
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 Posted: September 29 2004 at 12:04 |
Pixie- its difficult to criticise what you are saying without "dissing" you! The Jewish religion did not invent monotheism. What do you consider to be sensible if monotheism is stupid?
But the reason the early Christians thought it a good idea to rip off the Jewish religion and then the Muslims decided to rip off the Christians again to create Islam is more of a mystery.
Early Christianity was based on the Jewish faith because Jesus and his followers were Jews. As Homer would say:DOH!
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: September 29 2004 at 06:23 |
Well,the whole mess started when the Jews invented monotheism. Polytheism which had ruled the religious roost up to then hadn't really been that bad,it was when the one God came to drive out the many gods that things turned sour pretty fast. The old testament is based almost exclusively on Judaism and the Jews had,since they left Sumer,invented more and more far fetched and ridiculous myths,chief among them a saviour of the Jewish people,the Messiah myth,and of course,the angry,vengeful and frankly,quite psychopathic god of the old testament,the kind of god that chopped your head off and boiled it in oil if you ever dared to touch your willy. The jews,admirable in so many respects, have always been a rather selfdestructive people so it's no wonder that they first invented a god and then eventually changed him into ever more terrible shapes so that they wound up petrified with fear at their own creation.
But the reason the early Christians thought it a good idea to rip off the Jewish religion and then the Muslims decided to rip off the Christians again to create Islam is more of a mystery. Perhaps mankind is just gluttons for punishment.
And some theorize that it was in fact the pharaoh Aknaten who invented monotheism and recent research points to the possibility that the Bible could be based not on Jewish legends but actual Egyptian historical events,but it's early days yet for this theory so we'll just see how it develops and whether some substantial evidence can be brought to light to support it. But whether it was Aknaten or the Jews that created monotheism,it ranks as one of the stupidest ideas in our entire history.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 13:07 |
Some amazing ignorance being spouted here, bordering on the frankly racist. Most of the wars fought in the last 2000 years have been through theological manipulations of the words of some prophet or another - many of who were simple people.
All those born agains needing to fill vacuums in their lives and believing others should follow - Christian rock bands leave me cold, especially those using lyrics that wouldn't be out of place in a Victorian hymnal. There is a thing about some musicians needing more than their music. Todd Rundgren got his knickers in an almighty twist about his need to find a religion in the early 70's - that's what Initiation is about. And all those Scientologists, Chick Corea (through to John Revolter). And the Beatles and Sexie Sadie. And did Richard Thompson ever renounce Islam? Jim Page and satanism (Alistair Crowley's version). About the only thing Marx (Carl not Groucho this time) got right: religion is the opium of the people. It seems that to many musicians, the music alone wouldn't suffice and either drugs (including booze) had to be there as well.
And btw, 'Allah' is Arabic for God.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 12:45 |
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sigod
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 11:36 |
With Cat's conversion to Islam, you could say that there is a parallel with Neal Morse??
OMG!! What have I said???? 
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 26 2004 at 07:02 |
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Peter
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Posted: September 25 2004 at 23:21 |
 There's two big reasons why I like Dolly Parton....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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threefates
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Posted: September 25 2004 at 18:44 |
I guess you prefer Dolly Parton's version.. 
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: September 25 2004 at 15:05 |
I know exactly what you mean. I can't take much of that awful whining either.
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James Lee
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Posted: September 25 2004 at 11:45 |
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10,000 Maniacs' version of "Peace Train" is pretty good, although I get sick of Natalie's voice after a whole song of it.
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: September 25 2004 at 06:20 |
I was a big fan of Mr.Stevens when I was a nipper in the 70's. All the more sad when he went insane. 
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threefates
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 22:35 |
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Actually so do I. Morning Has Broken will always be a favorite of mine.
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gdub411
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 13:56 |
 Reed Lover wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
I'm being chased by a Moon Grendel,Moon Grendel, Moon Grendel |
Have you been on the Magic Mushrooms or am I missing something here?
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Moon Shadow is a cat Stevens tune and Grendel is of course Marillion..I cleverly() combined the two with my powerful wit
I actually like Cat Steven's music alot
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 13:28 |
gdub411 wrote:
I'm being chased by a Moon Grendel,Moon Grendel, Moon Grendel |
Have you been on the Magic Mushrooms or am I missing something here?
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gdub411
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 13:05 |
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I'm being chased by a Moon Grendel,Moon Grendel, Moon Grendel
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threefates
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 11:27 |
Thank you, Blacksword! 
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 10:52 |
Threefates:
Sorry if I offended you.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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dude
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 09:29 |
here we go again!
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 06:44 |
Well in that case you have to lock me up along with them because I think "Holidays In Eden" is quite an excellent album.
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Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
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sigod
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 06:14 |
Well we know where we all stand with Cat Stevens but are Marillion a threat to world peace?
I've heard 'Holidays In Eden' and I believe that there is a case for incarceration 
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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