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Lindsay Lohan 
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 Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:29 |
 Marc Baum wrote:
One may be sure: The average prog-head is more intelligent than the average hip hopper |
Exaclty i think some of the activites we enjoy can be reflected back to our own intelligence. As higly intelligent people enjoy different activites than non-intelligent ones it is reasonable to belivie that this aslo applies for music...(Although im sure you can find a higly intelligent person that listens to Eminem i would say that they are pretty rare...)
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Marc Baum
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:23 |
One may be sure: The average prog-head is more intelligent than the average hip hopper
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"All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:15 |
Suki wrote:
I disagree. Perhaps the musicians are intelligent, but claming that Prog Fans are also intelligent, is quite bullsh*t.
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Well as i said before this forum seems to be generally having discussions in quite a intelligent manner that i have yet to discover in other music forums or any other forums for that matter.
Although some of the discussions seem to lack some valid arguments (Right suki)  People behave reasonably adult, intelligent and they care to elaborate their meanings instead of fobbing it off with stupid comments...
I belivie prog music requires some certain degree of intelligence above the average to concentrate,understand and appreciate the music...
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:13 |
I tink I em ferry zmart and have a hai Intell... intallige....kwoti....kwit...IQ.
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Suki
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:08 |
I disagree. Perhaps the musicians are intelligent, but claming that Prog Fans are also intelligent, is quite bullsh*t.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 07:02 |
CaptainWafflos wrote:
There are many different definitions of intelligence. That is mine.
If mentally retarded people are capable of being math geniuses, then how are they mentally retarded given that math requires logical and calculational skills?
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Well i dont know exactly how this works...forexample the movie rainman shows one of these special cases where he throws a box of matches on the floor an he counts them all in one second...
Their brains is basically wired different and well very weak at all other things they become geniouses in specific things like that...However given a full IQ-test they still would not receive an high intelligence overall as there is much more to it than just the logical and the mathematical stuff...
But generally these special cases are better in maths than any other human with "normal" brain wiring 
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CaptainWafflos
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:55 |
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There are many different definitions of intelligence. That is mine.
If mentally retarded people are capable of being math geniuses, then
how are they mentally retarded given that math requires logical and
calculational skills?
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:51 |
CaptainWafflos wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Well if you would define intelligence as being able to solve different problems quicly then a proper iq-test surely gives you a good idea on how intelligent you are. |
I define intelligence more as "the ability to produce output of variable quality", output left intentionally vague. Output could mean the answer to a simple math problem, a compelling novel, a pop song, or a painting. I have met people who aren't endowed with the logical intelligence required to excel on IQ tests, but instead excel in other areas. For example, I have met people who don't score well on standardized tests but instead produce paintings better than anything I could hope to accomplish. I still consider these people to be highly intelligent.
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Well then we can not change the defintion for intelligence as this was original defintion for a reasonably inelligent person is a person with knowledge and understanding for these different subjects:
Language
Memory
Logics
Calculation
Technical understanding
Logics
And understanding of figures and room
And remember that mentally retarded people still can be masters of painting, playing music and even math although they are not really intelligent by the true definiton of the word.
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CaptainWafflos
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 06:34 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Well if you would define intelligence as being able
to solve different problems quicly then a proper iq-test surely gives
you a good idea on how intelligent you are. |
I define intelligence more as "the ability to produce output of
variable quality", output left intentionally vague. Output could mean
the answer to a simple math problem, a compelling novel, a pop song, or
a painting. I have met people who aren't endowed with the logical
intelligence required to excel on IQ tests, but instead excel in other
areas. For example, I have met people who don't score well on
standardized tests but instead produce paintings better than anything I
could hope to accomplish. I still consider these people to be highly
intelligent.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:49 |
Well if you would define intelligence as being able to solve different problems quicly then a proper iq-test surely gives you a good idea on how intelligent you are.
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Syzygy
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:47 |
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There's an excellent book by Stephen J Gould called The Mismeasure of Man which analyses the accuracy, uses and abuses of intelligence testing. There's no doubt that some IQ tests are more searching than others, but the objective validity of the results and the ways in which they can be used remain highly contentious.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:46 |
Well what is it that an PROPER iq test is meant to analyze?
It is not creative mathers as art or compositional skills, it is basically meant to be an overview of the abilty to solve a great array different of problems whitin a certain time.
And a proper IQ-test does just that and has different assignments whitin the categorys of:
Language
Memory
Logics
Calculation
Technical understanding
Logics
And understanding of figures and room.
All these assignments must be solved under a certain degree of time...say 20 seconds as most people will be able to solve them although perhaps not as quicly as an intelligent person.
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Erik
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:44 |
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Perhaps looking at our levels of education could clarify things. We are
all prog fans here so a survey like that would have atleast some
credibility.
I don't think beïngs smart is a condition to like prog music. I mean
it's still music and to me music is emotion. Everybody had emotions,
including "dumb" people.
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CaptainWafflos
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:30 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
CaptainWafflos wrote:
Internet IQ tests are rarely accurate. I've been given anywhere from 120 to 180 depending on the test.
I've
never taken a certified IQ test. I don't really trust them regardless;
I think there are more dimensions to intelligence than an average IQ
test could evaluate.
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The only thing that IQ tests measure accurately is your ability to take IQ tests.
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Hardly...proper iq-tests are much more diverse and complex than
those internet tests...you can not "teach" your self to become good in
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I wouldn't consider myself an expert on the subject. I don't make the
tests myself. It also depends on your personal definition of
intelligence, but I've never seen a single IQ test that is capable of
testing, for example, the ability to draw, the ability to compose
music, and the ability to compute mathematical equations. You can be
artistically intelligence or logically intelligent. I guess if the
tests were designed more around this, I'd take them more seriously.
Besides, there are other factors. Some people are simply not good test
takers. I've met brilliant people who have had mediocre SAT scores. No
test can determine all-around intelligence. I think even the creators
of these IQ tests would concede that.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:10 |
Syzygy wrote:
CaptainWafflos wrote:
Internet IQ tests are rarely accurate. I've been given anywhere from 120 to 180 depending on the test.
I've never taken a certified IQ test. I don't really trust them regardless; I think there are more dimensions to intelligence than an average IQ test could evaluate.
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The only thing that IQ tests measure accurately is your ability to take IQ tests.
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Hardly...proper iq-tests are much more diverse and complex than those internet tests...you can not "teach" your self to become good in them
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Syzygy
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:05 |
CaptainWafflos wrote:
Internet IQ tests are rarely accurate. I've been given anywhere from 120 to 180 depending on the test.
I've never taken a certified IQ test. I don't really trust them regardless; I think there are more dimensions to intelligence than an average IQ test could evaluate.
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The only thing that IQ tests measure accurately is your ability to take IQ tests.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 03:08 |
about 95% of the internet iq tests out there is totally wrong as proper ones is based on time and have a much bigger array of different assignments than that...i have only taken one proper iq test and got 138 on that one...but i also get the feeling that this forum has members that has an iq which is mostly above the average (100) as i have never been into a internet forum with so many intelligent and orderly discussions
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KoS
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 02:34 |
greenback wrote:
people who have a high iq:
they listen to iq
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Lorak
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 01:38 |
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I'm a dumb 145!
Certifiable!
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Two heads are better than one, but if you want something done right, do it yourself.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but better safe than sorry.
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CaptainWafflos
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 01:21 |
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Internet IQ tests are rarely accurate. I've been given anywhere from 120 to 180 depending on the test.
I've never taken a certified IQ test. I don't really trust them
regardless; I think there are more dimensions to intelligence than an
average IQ test could evaluate.
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