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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Albums released 1991 and onwards with 'QWR' over 4 and then calculated per capita in brackets
Canada -13/ 38.25 mill (0.34)
Denmark - 6/5.857 million (1.02) 
Finland -12/5.54 million (2.16)
France - 40/67.75 million (0.65)
Germany - 13/83.2 million (0.15)
Italy - 40/59.11 million (0.67) 
Japan - 17/125.7 million (0.13)
Netherlands - 4/17.53 million (0.22)
Norway - 25/5.408 million (4.62)
Poland - 7/37.75 million (0.18) 
Russia (boo!) - 11/143.4 million (0.076)
Spain - 8/47.42 million (0.16)
Sweden - 24/10.42 million (2.30)
Ukraine - 3/43.79 million (0.068)
UK - 41/67.73 million (0.60)
USA - 113/331.9 million (0.34)

The numbers have spoken and Scandinavia are the winners!
Ah, that's cheating. LOL  But I'll gladly concede that the winner is USA based on 113 albums released since 1991, with the UK second at 41.


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^Shocking how low France, Germany and Japan are. So many of my favorites in the last 20 years come from there. Then again, I tend to stray from beaten path on what I enjoy.

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Albums released 1991 and onwards with 'QWR' over 4 and then calculated per capita in brackets
Canada -13/ 38.25 mill (0.34)
Denmark - 6/5.857 million (1.02) 
Finland -12/5.54 million (2.16)
France - 40/67.75 million (0.65)
Germany - 13/83.2 million (0.15)
Italy - 40/59.11 million (0.67) 
Japan - 17/125.7 million (0.13)
Netherlands - 4/17.53 million (0.22)
Norway - 25/5.408 million (4.62)
Poland - 7/37.75 million (0.18) 
Russia (boo!) - 11/143.4 million (0.076)
Spain - 8/47.42 million (0.16)
Sweden - 24/10.42 million (2.30)
Ukraine - 3/43.79 million (0.068)
UK - 41/67.73 million (0.60)
USA - 113/331.9 million (0.34)

The numbers have spoken and Scandinavia are the winners!













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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

This thread has turned to be quite a farce but anyway, I can tell that I haven't seen any better arguments or evidence than to be 
most into pointing at USA as the most successful country for progressive music in the post-1990s.

It was a farce to begin with. Your opening question never established what the criteria for "success" was. That can mean a lot of different things: album sales, sales per capita, number of artists, artists per capita, following, quality of writing/recording, bands happiness with their lot in life, most sexual exploits on tour, etc. This was pointed out on the first page directly and you didn't elaborate other than "good considerations", which said f**kall about your intended criteria. Eventually you made a list that established that you are apparently only talking about album popularity as the criteria for "success", with which you declared USA was evidently the winner. Your list, by the way, points out that on a per capita basis Sweden is about 5 times more productive of popular prog albums and Norway about 10 times more.   

I'd say, this conclusion by Mathman of my approach and posts is more constructive:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

That is part of the discussion points for this topic. What does it mean to be successful? How do you measure success?

Plus, one can use more than one criterion and it can be different from person to person which criteria one chooses to use - which all would be very fine by me.

My list was just meant as a contribution to other evidence, and I had considered all the presented arguments and evidence (not much) in my own conclusion.


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ Our inane discussion is a result on your inane take. You might as well had brought up King Crimson and Yes then. They are even more successful. And btw: Italy is the most successful nation for modern oil painting. Because Da Vinci, Raphael, Caravaggio etc... are as popular as ever!
 LOL  That's too funny. I suppose that 'modern' to you means something recorded yesterday and no earlier.

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My take on modern Prog music, which has been defined for this as post 90s music, would include both modern bands/artists, and older band that released music during that time. I thought the USA and sued Swans as an example. It was formed around the same time as IQ in the early 80s, but Swans has been very relevant to modern music releases since 2010 with its revival. And I would say that it has been very artistically successful and has got much acclaim and recognition for its modern albums. If a band is passe, that's another thing. I;m not a fan of IQ, but I recognise its significance within Prog communities. It remains very popular here and its modern releases here get a lot of recognition compared to the vast majority of bands. At a place like RYM, the band Swans is much more popular according to ratings.
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^ Our inane discussion is a result on your inane take. You might as well had brought up King Crimson and Yes then. They are even more successful. And btw: Italy is the most successful nation for modern oil painting. Because Da Vinci, Raphael, Caravaggio etc... are as popular as ever!
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Is the UK just a footnote now? In terms of prog artists they may not be the most numerous but they are certainly the best known and exposed. Consider that Marillion, Porcupine Tree, solo Steven Wilson, IQ et al have had albums out that made various charts in Europe and abroad over the last 20+ years. Recall that the OP's question asks for the most successful.
Where have IQ charted in the last 20+years? Anyway, bringing up IQ and Marillion makes UK appear like a footnote as a modern progmusic nation. But recent bands such as Black Country, New Road and black midi are relatively successful.
This is what happens when people post without doing the research. And probably why some like you think that bands like IQ and Marillion are now footnotes instead of recocnizing them for what they have accomplished. See below and learn:

"The Road of Bones is the eleventh studio album by the British neo-progressive rock band IQ, released on May 3, 2014. It peaked at number 36 in Germany on the Offizielle Deutsche Charts, number 62 in Switzerland on the Swiss Hitparade and number 68 in the Netherlands on the Dutch Charts. It's the first album to feature Neil Durant on keyboards and it marks the return of original members Paul Cook on drums and Tim Esau on bass, the latter's first appearance on an IQ album since 1989."
My arguments was based on you giving examples of UK's "modern relevance" with bands formed in the late 1970's early 1980's. Over four decades ago, way passed their peak era and closer to retirement than a "breakthrough". Looks more like arguing against the point you want to get across rather than for.

-Those chart entries were too low register on wiki btw.
Nonsense, strawman. The OP's question was what is the most successful modern prog music nation?  I answered that question. If you did the same, we would not be having this inane discussion. Btw, those chart entries were taken from wiki!!

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Whatever happened to Oasis? 


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


This thread has turned to be quite a farce but anyway, I can tell that I haven't seen any better arguments or evidence than to be 
most into pointing at USA as the most successful country for progressive music in the post-1990s.

It was a farce to begin with. Your opening question never established what the criteria for "success" was. That can mean a lot of different things: album sales, sales per capita, number of artists, artists per capita, following, quality of writing/recording, bands happiness with their lot in life, most sexual exploits on tour, etc. This was pointed out on the first page directly and you didn't elaborate other than "good considerations", which said f**kall about your intended criteria. Eventually you made a list that established that you are apparently only talking about album popularity as the criteria for "success", with which you declared USA was evidently the winner. Your list, by the way, points out that on a per capita basis Sweden is about 5 times more productive of popular prog albums and Norway about 10 times more.   

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One thing I like about music is that it's not organised by nation.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Is the UK just a footnote now? In terms of prog artists they may not be the most numerous but they are certainly the best known and exposed. Consider that Marillion, Porcupine Tree, solo Steven Wilson, IQ et al have had albums out that made various charts in Europe and abroad over the last 20+ years. Recall that the OP's question asks for the most successful.
Where have IQ charted in the last 20+years? Anyway, bringing up IQ and Marillion makes UK appear like a footnote as a modern progmusic nation. But recent bands such as Black Country, New Road and black midi are relatively successful.
This is what happens when people post without doing the research. And probably why some like you think that bands like IQ and Marillion are now footnotes instead of recocnizing them for what they have accomplished. See below and learn:

"The Road of Bones is the eleventh studio album by the British neo-progressive rock band IQ, released on May 3, 2014. It peaked at number 36 in Germany on the Offizielle Deutsche Charts, number 62 in Switzerland on the Swiss Hitparade and number 68 in the Netherlands on the Dutch Charts. It's the first album to feature Neil Durant on keyboards and it marks the return of original members Paul Cook on drums and Tim Esau on bass, the latter's first appearance on an IQ album since 1989."
My arguments was based on you giving examples of UK's "modern relevance" with bands formed in the late 1970's early 1980's. Over four decades ago, way passed their peak era and closer to retirement than a "breakthrough". Looks more like arguing against the point you want to get across rather than for.

-Those chart entries were too low register on wiki btw.


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This thread has turned to be quite a farce but anyway, I can tell that I haven't seen any better arguments or evidence than to be 
most into pointing at USA as the most successful country for progressive music in the post-1990s.
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Hi,

I would say ... America.

In essence, America is like 4 or 5 or more countries and the amount of music and its difference is incredible.

But if we go per capita, the decision would be nearly impossible to find ... we would never get done adding names to the listings to see which country did better.
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Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Can we change the thread title to "Modern Prog Bands from around the World"?

Listing bands from specific countries doesn't discuss which nation is the most successful.
Agree. To me all those posts are just irrelevant spamming, ruining the whole discussion.
Sorry guys, but progressive bands from various nations were mentioned because we had to prove that the Norwegians are not the most successful modern prog nation. Is that okay?
Not the way you're doing it, no.
Sorry again, but I don't agree that I "must" agree that Norwergians are the most successful modern prog nation, nor that posting videos in favour of proving that south of Norway there really are deservedly well-appreciated bands is something bad. And the embedded YouTube videos in accordance with the discussion are not against the rules of the forum either.
You don't have to agree with anything. Where did I write  that you or anyone else must agree with me? I had some actual arguments to back my opinion - while you're spamming the thread with youtube-videos of random bands you like. Try to come up with some arguments relevant for the topic. There's no actual need to post a single video.

-but I've had enough of you and your way of interacting already. Bye.


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Is the UK just a footnote now? In terms of prog artists they may not be the most numerous but they are certainly the best known and exposed. Consider that Marillion, Porcupine Tree, solo Steven Wilson, IQ et al have had albums out that made various charts in Europe and abroad over the last 20+ years. Recall that the OP's question asks for the most successful.
Where have IQ charted in the last 20+years? Anyway, bringing up IQ and Marillion makes UK appear like a footnote as a modern progmusic nation. But recent bands such as Black Country, New Road and black midi are relatively successful.
This is what happens when people post without doing the research. And probably why some like you think that bands like IQ and Marillion are now footnotes instead of recocnizing them for what they have accomplished. See below and learn:

"The Road of Bones is the eleventh studio album by the British neo-progressive rock band IQ, released on May 3, 2014. It peaked at number 36 in Germany on the Offizielle Deutsche Charts, number 62 in Switzerland on the Swiss Hitparade and number 68 in the Netherlands on the Dutch Charts. It's the first album to feature Neil Durant on keyboards and it marks the return of original members Paul Cook on drums and Tim Esau on bass, the latter's first appearance on an IQ album since 1989."


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Can we change the thread title to "Modern Prog Bands from around the World"?

Listing bands from specific countries doesn't discuss which nation is the most successful.
Agree. To me all those posts are just irrelevant spamming, ruining the whole discussion.
Sorry guys, but progressive bands from various nations were mentioned because we had to prove that the Norwegians are not the most successful modern prog nation. Is that okay?
Not the way you're doing it, no.
Sorry again, but I don't agree that I "must" agree that Norwergians are the most successful modern prog nation, nor that posting videos in favour of proving that south of Norway there really are deservedly well-appreciated bands is something bad. And the embedded YouTube videos in accordance with the discussion are not against the rules of the forum either.

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