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Extremely difficult, but I´ll give it a very subjective try:

1. King Diamond - Abigail
2. Mercyful Fate - Don´t Break the Oath
3. Atheist - Unquestionable Presence
4. Psychotic Waltz - Into the Everflow
5. Slayer - Reign in Blood
6. Metallica - Master of Puppets
7. Nevermore - The Politics of Ecstacy
8. Demolition Hammer - Tortured Existence
9. Macabre - Dahmer
10. Carcass - Necroticism - Descanting the Insalubrious

These are just some of my personal favorites, but I could go on and on and on...

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Kill 'em All could very well be the beginning of "Metal", while the 70s laid the foundations with their "Heavy Metal" albums:

Rock/Blues
->
Heavy Rock/Blues / Hard Rock
-> 
New Wave of British Heavy Metal
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(Modern) Metal
-> 
Thrash Metal / Death Metal / Black Metal / ...



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2023 at 06:20
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


But Kill'em All was influnced by Motorhead, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and NWoBHM ( Iron Maiden, Saxon, Diamond Head).


Of course. What's your point?


Hardly the beginning of Metal I gueșs, maybe for speed & thrash.

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


But Kill'em All was influnced by Motorhead, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and NWoBHM ( Iron Maiden, Saxon, Diamond Head).

Of course. What's your point?

Edit: Most music today is influenced either directly or indirectly by Bach - that doesn't make all modern music Baroque. 


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Without having though that much about it, I suppose think of Black Sabbath at their heaviest as Heavy Metal - but Heavy Rock covers their music better. When only the short term Metal is used, to me that means something else. Someting else that in a nutshell starts forty years ago, primarely with Kill 'Em All. 


Exactly what I said, but more to the point Big smile


But Kill'em All was influnced by Motorhead, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and NWoBHM ( Iron Maiden, Saxon, Diamond Head).
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The first 7 Maiden albums and then Motorhead (some compilation), Metallica (The Black Album) and Def Leppard (High n Dry) would get me to a 10 then I'm struggling to care tbh.





Considering a compilation album is already a sign of lack of care Wink
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are the very definition of Hard Rock to me. If Purple and Led Zep are metal, then every hard rock band is metal. And at that point, Hard Rock = Metal, and that doesn't make sense to me.

For Black Sabbath, I'd say Paranoid and Master of Reality are probably metal, the rest of their 70's output is more accurately classified as hard rock in my opinion.

Exactly. Or, as bardberic put it, early Black Sabbath are more Heavy Blues.

We can also look to metal-archives.com (Encyclopedia Metallum) for clues. While they are not the final arbiters of all things metal, it's interesting that they do not accept Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple (rightly so, IMHO), but do accept Black Sabbath, which on their later albums were more obviously within the "Metal" domain.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Without having though that much about it, I suppose think of Black Sabbath at their heaviest as Heavy Metal - but Heavy Rock covers their music better. When only the short term Metal is used, to me that means something else. Someting else that in a nutshell starts forty years ago, primarely with Kill 'Em All. 

Exactly what I said, but more to the point Big smile
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Reworked from David's thread.
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs

Metal? Interesting Smile
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Reworked from David's thread.

Ark - Burn the Sun
Dio - Holy Diver
Dream Theater - Images & Words
Freak Kitchen - Cooking with Pagans
Haken - Visions
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Panzerballett - Planet Z
Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition
Virgil Donati - Ruination
King Crimson - Red
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs


What a great list!   

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Without having though that much about it, I suppose think of Black Sabbath at their heaviest as Heavy Metal - but Heavy Rock covers their music better. When only the short term Metal is used, to me that means something else. Someting else that in a nutshell starts forty years ago, primarely with Kill 'Em All. 
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I can say at least that I won't consider Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep and Budgie as Proto-Metal, as I otherwise 
can't see how to draw the line between Metal and Hard Rock - even Never Turn Your Back on a Friend is very close to.







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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Imo, there weren't many "true" heavy metal bands in the 70s. It wasn't until at least the NWOBH that it became a fully formed scene or genre and the 80s is when it started to become mainstream. 




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Imo, there weren't many "true" heavy metal bands in the 70s. It wasn't until at least the NWOBH that it became a fully formed scene or genre and the 80s is when it started to become mainstream. 





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This thread is interesting to me for the recognition that the term "Heavy Metal" existed in the 1970s. While my ears didn't hear a difference in the "Hard Rock" that my brother was listening to (Deep Purple, Mountain, Humble Pie, Alvin Lee, Ronnie Montrose, Jeff Beck, Uriah Heep, Rainbow, Aerosmith) and the "Heavy Metal" that started coming out of Iron Butterfly, Black Sabbath, Blue Öyster Cult, Led Zeppelin, Nazareth, Kiss, Judas Priest, and AC/DC, I definitely felt a shift in the music with bands like Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Slayer, Dio, Van Halen, Ozzie, Mötley Crüe, Queensryche, Megadeth, and Metallica. These last bands constituted a "new" more abrasive and aggressive, less blues-founded music than the previous bands (though some of the older bands did adopt and adapt). Thus, a list of all-time favorite metal albums, for me, really couldn't/wouldn't go back much before 1980 (or at least AC/DC's Highway to Hell).
 

  
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How about just one (original mix of course) --
  • Diary Of A Madman

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

.... it is obvious that Black Sabbath were "Heavy Metal" on their early records. From the perspective of the 1980s "Metal" bands this 70s music is a form of "Proto Metal" ....

This makes good sense to me without the whole Rock question.



I know it's been discussed to death here, but what Black Sabbath played in 1970 was a genre known as "Heavy Blues," that is blues rock that falls into the realm of Heavy Rock. Just like there's Heavy Metal and Heavy Psych, Heavy Blues (early Sabbath) derived out of the heavier psych/blues rock scene of the late 60s.

Heavy Rock, imo, is an umbrella term that categorizes these heavier psych/blues rock derivatives.

Heavy Blues, Heavy Psych, Traditional Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Acid Rock, Traditional Doom Metal, Speed Metal, and later on Stoner Rock and Stoner Doom are what would make up the distinct but related Heavy Rock styles. Traditional Heavy Metal would evolve throughout the early to mid 1980s, with the help of Punk Rock/Hardcore Punk, to distance itself from Rock via The NWoBHM, Speed Metal, and Thrash Metal, culminating in the development of the "modern metal" styles in the early 90s, with the help of Alternative Rock and more Hardcore Punk, such as Groove Metal and Black Metal, respectively, which would see the "Metal" umbrella as a distinct genre from Rock. Therefore, the majority of early metal releases in the 70s and 80s should be considered a form of Rock, as well. However, I would not consider Black Sabbath's eponymous debut to be a metal album, aside from the eponymous first track which is solid Traditional Doom Metal territory.


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

.... it is obvious that Black Sabbath were "Heavy Metal" on their early records. From the perspective of the 1980s "Metal" bands this 70s music is a form of "Proto Metal" ....

This makes good sense to me without the whole Rock question.

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Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are the very definition of Hard Rock to me. If Purple and Led Zep are metal, then every hard rock band is metal. And at that point, Hard Rock = Metal, and that doesn't make sense to me.

For Black Sabbath, I'd say Paranoid and Master of Reality are probably metal, the rest of their 70's output is more accurately classified as hard rock in my opinion.
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Reworked from David's thread.

Ark - Burn the Sun
Dio - Holy Diver
Dream Theater - Images & Words
Freak Kitchen - Cooking with Pagans
Haken - Visions
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Panzerballett - Planet Z
Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition
Virgil Donati - Ruination
King Crimson - Red
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs
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