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UMUR
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Extremely difficult, but I´ll give it a very subjective try: 1. King Diamond - Abigail 2. Mercyful Fate - Don´t Break the Oath 3. Atheist - Unquestionable Presence 4. Psychotic Waltz - Into the Everflow 5. Slayer - Reign in Blood 6. Metallica - Master of Puppets 7. Nevermore - The Politics of Ecstacy 8. Demolition Hammer - Tortured Existence 9. Macabre - Dahmer 10. Carcass - Necroticism - Descanting the Insalubrious These are just some of my personal favorites, but I could go on and on and on... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Kill 'em All could very well be the beginning of "Metal", while the 70s laid the foundations with their "Heavy Metal" albums:
Rock/Blues -> Heavy Rock/Blues / Hard Rock -> New Wave of British Heavy Metal -> (Modern) Metal -> Thrash Metal / Death Metal / Black Metal / ... Edited by MikeEnRegalia - July 16 2023 at 06:25 |
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Hardly the beginning of Metal I gueșs, maybe for speed & thrash. Edited by Cristi - July 16 2023 at 06:21 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Of course. What's your point? Edit: Most music today is influenced either directly or indirectly by Bach - that doesn't make all modern music Baroque.
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Cristi
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But Kill'em All was influnced by Motorhead, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and NWoBHM ( Iron Maiden, Saxon, Diamond Head). |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Considering a compilation album is already a sign of lack of care
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MikeEnRegalia
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Exactly. Or, as bardberic put it, early Black Sabbath are more Heavy Blues. We can also look to metal-archives.com (Encyclopedia Metallum) for clues. While they are not the final arbiters of all things metal, it's interesting that they do not accept Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple (rightly so, IMHO), but do accept Black Sabbath, which on their later albums were more obviously within the "Metal" domain.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Exactly what I said, but more to the point
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MikeEnRegalia
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Metal? Interesting
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Cristi
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What a great list! Edited by Cristi - July 16 2023 at 05:45 |
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Without having though that much about it, I suppose think of Black Sabbath at their heaviest as Heavy Metal - but Heavy Rock covers their music better. When only the short term Metal is used, to me that means something else. Someting else that in a nutshell starts forty years ago, primarely with Kill 'Em All.
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I can say at least that I won't consider Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep and Budgie as Proto-Metal, as I otherwise can't see how to draw the line between Metal and Hard Rock - even Never Turn Your Back on a Friend is very close to. Edited by David_D - July 16 2023 at 05:48 |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Motorhead & Judas Priest
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Imo, there weren't many "true" heavy metal bands in the 70s. It wasn't until at least the NWOBH that it became a fully formed scene or genre and the 80s is when it started to become mainstream.
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This thread is interesting to me for the recognition that the term "Heavy Metal" existed in the 1970s. While my ears didn't hear a difference in the "Hard Rock" that my brother was listening to (Deep Purple, Mountain, Humble Pie, Alvin Lee, Ronnie Montrose, Jeff Beck, Uriah Heep, Rainbow, Aerosmith) and the "Heavy Metal" that started coming out of Iron Butterfly, Black Sabbath, Blue Öyster Cult, Led Zeppelin, Nazareth, Kiss, Judas Priest, and AC/DC, I definitely felt a shift in the music with bands like Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Slayer, Dio, Van Halen, Ozzie, Mötley Crüe, Queensryche, Megadeth, and Metallica. These last bands constituted a "new" more abrasive and aggressive, less blues-founded music than the previous bands (though some of the older bands did adopt and adapt). Thus, a list of all-time favorite metal albums, for me, really couldn't/wouldn't go back much before 1980 (or at least AC/DC's Highway to Hell).
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Atavachron
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How about just one (original mix of course) -- |
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I know it's been discussed to death here, but what Black Sabbath played in 1970 was a genre known as "Heavy Blues," that is blues rock that falls into the realm of Heavy Rock. Just like there's Heavy Metal and Heavy Psych, Heavy Blues (early Sabbath) derived out of the heavier psych/blues rock scene of the late 60s. Heavy Rock, imo, is an umbrella term that categorizes these heavier psych/blues rock derivatives. Heavy Blues, Heavy Psych, Traditional Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Acid Rock, Traditional Doom Metal, Speed Metal, and later on Stoner Rock and Stoner Doom are what would make up the distinct but related Heavy Rock styles. Traditional Heavy Metal would evolve throughout the early to mid 1980s, with the help of Punk Rock/Hardcore Punk, to distance itself from Rock via The NWoBHM, Speed Metal, and Thrash Metal, culminating in the development of the "modern metal" styles in the early 90s, with the help of Alternative Rock and more Hardcore Punk, such as Groove Metal and Black Metal, respectively, which would see the "Metal" umbrella as a distinct genre from Rock. Therefore, the majority of early metal releases in the 70s and 80s should be considered a form of Rock, as well. However, I would not consider Black Sabbath's eponymous debut to be a metal album, aside from the eponymous first track which is solid Traditional Doom Metal territory.
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This makes good sense to me without the whole Rock question. |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are the very definition of Hard Rock to me. If Purple and Led Zep are metal, then every hard rock band is metal. And at that point, Hard Rock = Metal, and that doesn't make sense to me.
For Black Sabbath, I'd say Paranoid and Master of Reality are probably metal, the rest of their 70's output is more accurately classified as hard rock in my opinion.
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Reworked from David's thread.
Ark - Burn the Sun Dio - Holy Diver Dream Theater - Images & Words Freak Kitchen - Cooking with Pagans Haken - Visions Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind Megadeth - Rust in Peace ni - Les Insurges De Romilly Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane Panzerballett - Planet Z Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition Virgil Donati - Ruination King Crimson - Red Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs |
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