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A few stories to shar⁸e about cults. In high school I was very close with a girl who was like a sister to me. She rode the school bus with the young man that was sacrificed at Menantico. Most people who got to know him said that he studied all religions, had a great sense of humor,..although could be quiet at times.


He had a box made out of metal. On the outside of the box were carvings of Egyptian hieroglyphics. On the inside were hallways that led through a maze. He would open the door of the box and place an animal inside. He would then slam the door piercing the animal with sharp nails located on the inside of the door. Quite like an iron maiden.

He graduated from sacrificing hamsters to Satan to resurrecting himself from the dead. The ritual he performed was rather obscure it seems as lots of people in Vineland NJ sit around a campfire drinking and discuss where he got the idea. Supposedly if you are in a specific place at a specific time with your two closest friends...who assist you in your death...it will work. You die violently so you can be put in charge of 40 leagues of demons.


The use of human sacrifice is older than recorded history and can be found in the Bog Burials, but what is the origin of this ritual? Where is it written? The difficulty in this case is that his sacrifice is directly tied into Christian/Satanism in his belief that his self-sacrifice would engender the protection of Christian demons. Like a role playing game it was strictly based on Christian demonology. His reference to 40 leagues or 40 legions is a Judeo-Christian concept derived from the writings of medieval theologians where demons had hierarchies and legions.


Some people claim it is written in the Satanic Bible, but I've never read the Satanic Bible so I would not know. Some people say that he was interested in Egyptian culture and that he studied the Egyptian book of the Dead and that he connected with the knowledge of the ritual that way.


Others claim that he garbled a ritual from a modern book on demonology or a modern translation. One individual in particular stated: "Whatever ritual he was trying to use was so hopelessly screwed up in his mind interpretation to be more tragic and stupid than ritualistic..but he was definitely responding to something he had read and believed."


Police dug up the lake and discovered animal remains. Charles Pangburn searched the young man's room and discovered books on Egyptian culture, witchcraft, demonology, and the Satanic Bible..additionally he confiscated literature dealing with the young man's cult that he refused to reveal. The two friends who assisted him in his death spent 5 years in Yardville Prison. After their release they both continued their involvement with a cult. While they did their time in prison..Pangburn spent two years interrogating a church and a list of wealthy individuals (middle age adults) belonging to a cult.


It's possible that Pangburn may have confiscated a diary belonging to the young man which gave him reason or cause to investigate further. In 1972 in Springfield NJ the skeleton remains of Jeannette DePalma were discovered on top of a cliff called the Devil's Tooth. Although this case was totally confusing regarding all the suspects and the letters written to the police..DePalma belonged to the Assembly Of God church . The church that was under investigation by Pangburn and his team of detectives and officers in 1971.


What kind of evidence did Pangburn have ? What would lead him to believe that a wealthy organization was behind this murder? I've always been curious about it. What could it have possibly been?







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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

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I remember hanging out at Brenner's Brew (closed now) in Bridgeton, NJ, and was talking about Michael Ford of Hexentanz and Luciferians and this tall dude comes from the back of the shop "What do you know about Luciferians??" I was a bit taken aback but spoke to him, which he proclaimed himself as a Luciferian. He turned out to be a rather frightening sort-stalking the owner of the shop and threatening scertain of her friends. 


The way you are describing this guy ...he sounds like a real jerk. "What do you know about Luciferians?" That could be taken as a challenge instead a conversation.


And what if you did know about Luciferians? Maybe you read about them ..what difference does it make? The guy might have been egotistical..and what was on his agenda?


Does that mean no one can run a 26 mile marathon but him? He was probably delusional. After all the people I've met and known who followed the left hand path..give me a break..( only kidding)....

it was a challenge right before he said a bunch of nonsense that contradicted what Michael Ford and every satanist i had contact with ever said. 

I was never into satanism, although i had been accused of it and i find that and other occult interesting. I think because I grew up in the 1970's where all that was in the counter culture and in the 1980's where it was taboo. I have talking boards and tarot cards and listen to metal and Coven, but I do not feel the need to go plunging headlong into Satanism. My curiosity into it was simply to find out why someone would convert to Satanism when the religious say it is condemnation into eternal damnation. There had to be something that attracted people to it. First, I found Satanism is not "Devil worship"-in fact, in their beliefs, they abhor the idea of "grovelling" before a Supreme Being. They also believe that Satan or Lucifer was betrayed by God when showing Adam and Eve love and view the giving of the apple as a metaphor for giving humans knowledge. Knowledge is a key thing for Satanists. 

But more importantly, I noticed most Satanists and Luciferians came from oppressively religious backgrounds. I can only think that Satanism and Luciferianism are more of reactionary-that the converts view it as an escape from what they view as overbearing superstition, ignorance and rigid adherence. 
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if this is where i think it was, the cops were more interested in getting back to busting college students for pot
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Thank you for responding..I really appreciate it
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

            This is a true story. A real experience I had at age 22. My first wife was born in a cult and when she was a baby there was some kind of ceremony that revolved around her. Whatever that was..I do not know.

During the second year of our marriage I discovered that her Mother's side of the family were some kind of cult..or perhaps a coven of witches that practiced Black Magic..I am unsure.

My first wife was trying to be a Christian. She went to Bible study with friends and studied the Bible at home. She kept going back to the occult and spiritually tormented between both forces or beliefs.

One night I was listening to music with a friend and we heard a crash at the door. I ran to the door and found my wife spread across the steps..blood everywhere..it was ridiculous. I grabbed a blanket and wrapped it around her. I carried her to the car , placed her in the back seat and saw that she had been sliced up badly...only these were carvings of pentagrams and other occult symbols carved into her flesh. Her legs and arms were covered with them. I couldn't stop the bleeding and so I drove her to the ER.


On the way there my friend said that he noticed the occult symbols carved into her body and he asked me.."Does she belong to some kind of cult?" I told him that I definitely thought it was a cult that did this to her.

When we arrived to the ER I carried her in my arms with blood everywhere and and nurses placed her on a stretcher and brought her in immediately.

I sat with my friend in the waiting room and after about 30 minutes we were approached by a doctor and two police officers. The doctor explained that he found traces of Cocaine in her nostrils and the police officers said that she was part of a drug deal gone bad.


I said..."She's in a cult! " "Check her body and look at the occult symbols " The police officer said.."No..it's not a cult" "There is no cult"

I got into this heated argument with one of the officers who refused to investigate it. He told me to stop with the cult stuff and leave if I don't. My friend didn't back me up. I was really angered by the situation. Could anyone tell me why this may have happened? Or...please give me an idea why you think the police and doctor refused to believe it....I apologize for getting personal and going off thread ...I'm just trying to understand why this happened..


The friend was probably intimidated by authority which is why they didn't back you up.

As for the police, they might have thought "They're making this cult thing to cover up the drug dealing" but if there's some cult dealing, then they have to get their hands dirty.
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Jacob, the only reason(s) they would insist "there's no cult" and warn you to stop it, is that they were aware of it and didn't want to tangle with it, or they're part of it.
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            This is a true story. A real experience I had at age 22. My first wife was born in a cult and when she was a baby there was some kind of ceremony that revolved around her. Whatever that was..I do not know.

During the second year of our marriage I discovered that her Mother's side of the family were some kind of cult..or perhaps a coven of witches that practiced Black Magic..I am unsure.

My first wife was trying to be a Christian. She went to Bible study with friends and studied the Bible at home. She kept going back to the occult and spiritually tormented between both forces or beliefs.

One night I was listening to music with a friend and we heard a crash at the door. I ran to the door and found my wife spread across the steps..blood everywhere..it was ridiculous. I grabbed a blanket and wrapped it around her. I carried her to the car , placed her in the back seat and saw that she had been sliced up badly...only these were carvings of pentagrams and other occult symbols carved into her flesh. Her legs and arms were covered with them. I couldn't stop the bleeding and so I drove her to the ER.


On the way there my friend said that he noticed the occult symbols carved into her body and he asked me.."Does she belong to some kind of cult?" I told him that I definitely thought it was a cult that did this to her.

When we arrived to the ER I carried her in my arms with blood everywhere and and nurses placed her on a stretcher and brought her in immediately.

I sat with my friend in the waiting room and after about 30 minutes we were approached by a doctor and two police officers. The doctor explained that he found traces of Cocaine in her nostrils and the police officers said that she was part of a drug deal gone bad.


I said..."She's in a cult! " "Check her body and look at the occult symbols " The police officer said.."No..it's not a cult" "There is no cult"

I got into this heated argument with one of the officers who refused to investigate it. He told me to stop with the cult stuff and leave if I don't. My friend didn't back me up. I was really angered by the situation. Could anyone tell me why this may have happened? Or...please give me an idea why you think the police and doctor refused to believe it....I apologize for getting personal and going off thread ...I'm just trying to understand why this happened..

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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

I remember hanging out at Brenner's Brew (closed now) in Bridgeton, NJ, and was talking about Michael Ford of Hexentanz and Luciferians and this tall dude comes from the back of the shop "What do you know about Luciferians??" I was a bit taken aback but spoke to him, which he proclaimed himself as a Luciferian. He turned out to be a rather frightening sort-stalking the owner of the shop and threatening scertain of her friends. 


The way you are describing this guy ...he sounds like a real jerk. "What do you know about Luciferians?" That could be taken as a challenge instead a conversation.


And what if you did know about Luciferians? Maybe you read about them ..what difference does it make? The guy might have been egotistical..and what was on his agenda?


Does that mean no one can run a 26 mile marathon but him? He was probably delusional. After all the people I've met and known who followed the left hand path..give me a break..( only kidding)....
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.


What's scaring me nowadays are all the avatars of Zelensky and this worship
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Indeed, the war seems to have created a pandemic of short-sightedness (or worse... short-memory/selected amnesia).


As much I grieve for Ukrainians (refugees or those staying put) , I find this "total" support a bit sickening, certainly nauseating and totally hypocrite.

But then again this is the age of those disgusting asocial medias, where hypocrisy is the religion.


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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.


What's scaring me nowadays are all the avatars of Zelensky and this worship
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I am not sure if this guy was part of anything, but he was eventually put in a mental hospital I believe. 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.


What's scaring me nowadays are all the avatars of Zelensky and this worship
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Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

I remember hanging out at Brenner's Brew (closed now) in Bridgeton, NJ, and was talking about Michael Ford of Hexentanz and Luciferians and this tall dude comes from the back of the shop "What do you know about Luciferians??" I was a bit taken aback but spoke to him, which he proclaimed himself as a Luciferian. He turned out to be a rather frightening sort-stalking the owner of the shop and threatening certain of her friends. 


Very creepy. I've been approached by several individuals belonging to cults over the years. I've been asked on several occasions to join which I turned down. The reason being that I always wore black. I played in many bands in the 70s and 80s and always wore black. Is that any reason to ask a person to join a cult? Idk? 😃 The response or immediate reaction from these characters would always be..."Oh..but I heard you practiced witchcraft " or.."But I hear you worshipped Satan"...but, but, but, but, l heard.. me, me, my, my, ...BS...pure BS... 😃
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

The first occult crime in Vineland NJ was in 1957..but I'm certain to believe there were more in the past, it's just impossible to find the newspaper articles. Someone told me that the Menantico Cult ritual which took place in 1971..also took place in 1871 ..in the same area..and that I should find the newspaper article on microfiche. The library records do not date back that far and there are people who sware that they researched it in the 70s when supposedly the library did have the old articles readily available.
I find that to be strange

Very strange, indeed!

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The 3rd Generation Watchtower Society held separate meetings or secret meetings where they tried to channel a demon through a young girl. They would place paper in front of the girl and a feathered pen in her writing hand. They would chant while the girl performed this kind of Automatic Writing. Then they would decipher the words . Other times they lowered the girl into a snake pit , standing above the pit chanting. The snakes were dead and not threatening to the girl...but it was a disturbing series of events. They were interested in a Luciferian practice no doubt and this took place off of Mill Road in Vineland. In Mill Woods to be precise.


That's right out of a Corman film. Any links for further reading?



I'm having trouble finding it on YouTube. It's probably easier to Google Ravyn Guliani 3rd Generation Watchtower Society.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.

Ever heard of apostasy for muslims?Ermm

They are killed if they leave islam. 

This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages.

I thought this thread was focused more on the present day. There's been all manner of evil perpetrated by humans "in the name of" numerous religions in times past (and today, of course). I'd rather this thread maintain its focus on the last century, on the weird cults therein, and documentaries.


Apostasy (and fatwahs) for muslims is contemporaneous.... but then again islam started +/- 600 years later than christianity did... 
Soooo  islam could just have its own inquisition some 600 years after the christian one ended (so they said >> hundred of sorcerers and witches have been killed since) 

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.

Ain't that the truth.
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Meet the new cult, same as the old cult.

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Why some people follow charismatic "leaders" is the real problem with cults, that in the present day extends to political figures too. I'm afraid that there is no set answer for this, just theories, unfortunately.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.


Ever heard of apostasy for muslims?Ermm

They are killed if they leave islam. 

This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages.

I thought this thread was focused more on the present day. There's been all manner of evil perpetrated by humans "in the name of" numerous religions in times past (and today, of course). I'd rather this thread maintain its focus on the last century, on the weird cults therein, and documentaries.
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

The first occult crime in Vineland NJ was in 1957..but I'm certain to believe there were more in the past, it's just impossible to find the newspaper articles. Someone told me that the Menantico Cult ritual which took place in 1971..also took place in 1871 ..in the same area..and that I should find the newspaper article on microfiche. The library records do not date back that far and there are people who sware that they researched it in the 70s when supposedly the library did have the old articles readily available.
I find that to be strange

Very strange, indeed!

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

The 3rd Generation Watchtower Society held separate meetings or secret meetings where they tried to channel a demon through a young girl. They would place paper in front of the girl and a feathered pen in her writing hand. They would chant while the girl performed this kind of Automatic Writing. Then they would decipher the words . Other times they lowered the girl into a snake pit , standing above the pit chanting. The snakes were dead and not threatening to the girl...but it was a disturbing series of events. They were interested in a Luciferian practice no doubt and this took place off of Mill Road in Vineland. In Mill Woods to be precise.

That's right out of a Corman film. Any links for further reading?
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