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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

there are 50 words for snow in Eskimo!




It's a pervasive myth propagated by Franz Boas circa 1911 who wrote (as an aside), illustrating a point about how languages resemble each other that there are: "four lexically unrelated words for snow in Eskimo: aput 'snow on the ground', qana 'falling snow', piqsirpoq 'drifting snow', and qimuqsuq 'a snow drift'".
Benjamin Lee Whorf added another layer of misinformation in 1940 by claiming Inuit had 7 words for snow. Enter one Roger Brown in 1958 who claimed a paltry three. This rolling ball of specious sh*t now found it's way into the arts via Lanford Wilson's (fifty) in his 1978 play Fifth of July and mainstream media via the NY Times who claimed a lofty 100 in an editorial. I'd love to be a linguist or an anthropologist as they have at their disposal an entire demographic credulous enough to believe and pay them. Yep, the sort of people who take the Tarot seriously.(plus they're about as reliable as fortune tellersWink)


Not only a myth but a joke. The joke is that there is no language called Eskimo. It is a family of languages referred to as Eskimo-Aleut languages that covers a spectrum of dialects over the Arctic regions. Since Eskimo can generically refer to Aleut, Yupik, Alutiq, Inuit, Greenlandic and all the dialects, if you add up all the words for snow in all these languages then you will surely exceed 50 but it's kind of a linguists phrase for a helluva friggin lot of words! LOL

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

there are 50 words for snow in Eskimo!




It's a pervasive myth propagated by Franz Boas circa 1911 who wrote (as an aside), illustrating a point about how languages resemble each other that there are: "four lexically unrelated words for snow in Eskimo: aput 'snow on the ground', qana 'falling snow', piqsirpoq 'drifting snow', and qimuqsuq 'a snow drift'".
Benjamin Lee Whorf added another layer of misinformation in 1940 by claiming Inuit had 7 words for snow. Enter one Roger Brown in 1958 who claimed a paltry three. This rolling ball of specious sh*t now found it's way into the arts via Lanford Wilson's (fifty) in his 1978 play Fifth of July and mainstream media via the NY Times who claimed a lofty 100 in an editorial. I'd love to be a linguist or an anthropologist as they have at their disposal an entire demographic credulous enough to believe and pay them. Yep, the sort of people who take the Tarot seriously.(plus they're about as reliable as fortune tellersWink)


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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"Even German is much more precise than English."

Why has English got more words than German, then ? English evolved from German, and there is a word for absolutely everything in English. ;-)

I think German has more words, but many of these are compounds (the Germans can basically put any two nouns together and have a new word) and if they don't count as "independent words", English has clearly more. I think English is richer in expressions but German can be very precise. As a German having lived in the UK for 14 years and with some language geeks as friends a know a few things about this, however ultimately the question which language has more words is hard to address because the definition what counts is hairy and there are various possibilities. 
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German contains the same obfuscations and different meanings as any other language. Language is not solely about description. 

Why would you think that all languages are the same in this respect? If you look close enough, you can always find differences. I indeed think that German tends to be more descriptive and English works (maybe just slightly) more through metaphors and allusions. The ubiquity of compounds in German has to do with that. A compound is basically a description put together from other terms.


Lewian is right about all this. English has more words but most are synonyms. Think about how many ways you can say big: large, huge, enormous, colossal, gigantic, mammoth, immense, massive, ginormous, elephantine, vast etc. Although there are shades of meaning they basically mean big or large.

In German you have groß, schwer, wichtig and a few others but not nearly as many

Correct that German fuses words together where in English we put a space between compound nouns often: ice cream, television set, repair kit etc even though they are really one concept.

Try learning Navajo or Zulu or Cherokee. Every concept is a particle and can be strung together. In Inuit you can make whole paragraphs into one word. Same with Finno-Ugric languages such as Finnish and Hungarian. English requires a series of descriptive extras to make a word whole whereas there are 50 words for snow in Eskimo! Likewise European language have pretty much been cleansed of higher spiritual terms insofar as they need to borrow from languages to stock the vocabulary. There was no avatar, akashic, Buddha, prana, asana, ayurveda etc before it was adopted into the European vocabulary stock whereas other languages they are woven into the concepts of the culture through words. We have lost those as the occult practices have been held back and only given to those who seek them out in mystery schools. That means that many mainstream languages of the West have been sterilized to fit the agenda of those who wish to create obfuscation. This is a totally different matter in law though. Older English terms which made the language much richer are still used ubiquitously. Archaic terms like whereby and other prepositional constructions as well as a rich lexicon of Latin terms makes legalese much more precise than colloquial English which is indeed more expressive in a conversational manner. German is very much a technical language which is why it is perfect for science and technology.



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In the Russian-speaking world of the former USSR republics, there's a common opinion that English is perfect for business, made for business, developed for business. Made to sell goods to people. 

The problem is that Russian or other Slavic languages have no less than six noun cases, each requires own ending of the word. There are many prefixes and suffixes that change the meaning of the word. There are other situations where the word may be modified, and not all such modifications appear in the vocabulary. If we count them all, the number would reach one million, I think. 

For good example, you may listen and watch this definitely 18+ video by the Russian band Leningrad. Using one Russian swear word khuy (that more or less sounds like English hooey) which means d*ck, by adding different prefixes and suffixes to it, they tell the story. By the way, if you are studying Russian and want to learn how to pronounce the Russian letter/sound x (though it is marked with kh in English and usually pronounced like k, it's not k, at all, it's rather English h, but produced a bit differently!), it's a good tutorial thenLOL




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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

"Even German is much more precise than English."

Why has English got more words than German, then ? English evolved from German, and there is a word for absolutely everything in English. ;-)

I think German has more words, but many of these are compounds (the Germans can basically put any two nouns together and have a new word) and if they don't count as "independent words", English has clearly more. I think English is richer in expressions but German can be very precise. As a German having lived in the UK for 14 years and with some language geeks as friends a know a few things about this, however ultimately the question which language has more words is hard to address because the definition what counts is hairy and there are various possibilities. 
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German contains the same obfuscations and different meanings as any other language. Language is not solely about description. 

Why would you think that all languages are the same in this respect? If you look close enough, you can always find differences. I indeed think that German tends to be more descriptive and English works (maybe just slightly) more through metaphors and allusions. The ubiquity of compounds in German has to do with that. A compound is basically a description put together from other terms.


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"Even German is much more precise than English."

Why has English got more words than German, then ? English evolved from German, and there is a word for absolutely everything in English. ;-)

German contains the same obfuscations and different meanings as any other language. Language is not solely about description. 

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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The English language seems to have evolved to be intentionally ambiguous which allows wiggle room for sophistry and psychological manipulation. 
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Hi,

All languages do, for the most part and the Romantic languages are the worst in this aspect, since there are subtleties of grammar and language that the Italians might use that the Portuguese don't for example, and it all adds up to a bit of confusion about the same thing ... it's like you are all around one tree but everyone's description will be different and in different languages.


Only have a minute to respond. European tongues are languages of conquistadors which seems to coincide with intentional obfuscation of meaning. I.e. words have two meanings, secondary contexts etc.

If however you delve into indigenous languages ranging from Native American to African and even ancient Sanskrit and its derivatives, words and concepts are much more precise and offer no chances of ambiguity as the focus of cultural development didn't revolve around control of the masses. This is an extreme generalization of course. Even German is much more precise than English. Where an English sentence can be interpreted many ways due to context, German almost always makes it quite clear what the actual meaning is.

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There’s so much uncharted territory in the brain that, if you unlock those doors, you’ll never be the same.....
People seeking ‘answers’ from such means as Tarot, Psychic readings and so on crave a different perspective on their ‘issues’. You yourself, believe in what you choose to believe in.
For me, when you die, you die - the mind ceases to function, the organs shut down and it will be just blackness. Nothing. Others believe that the ‘spirit’ goes on to some other place and time.

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There is much more "charted" than we will ever want to accept, or admit. The problem is that in many cases, so much of it has suffered horrible translations that have removed it from its "source", and this is the major problem with linguistics ... your culture is used to this or that, and you are reading something that does not see it that way, and their description throws yours off kilter. In essence, and this is the most important part of it, it is exactly the same thing as what you see but from the other side of the same tree!!!!!

I'm not sure everyone is seeking answers, and there are people whose adventures are "pre-destined' and they simply have to get to the right street signs and corners, and a lot of these "answers" help define that movement ... but this is not something that we can understand or appreciate. Here's an example ... a friend went to a psychic lecture, and he had a choice of a couple of them to decide on ... and he walks into the first one and immediately the lady points to you and says ... Mr. SuchandSuch ... you are wanting to go to the other lecture across the street. Thanks for coming in and saying hello. And he left and went next door and the rest is history!

The whole thing about people "believing what they want to" is a scary thought and idea, since all too often much of this is about something else, and not exactly the inner thing ... it is stuff that comes from someone else and it usually is about some form of control and making sure everyone is on the same path ... when it is well known that each path is DIFFERENT and there are no teachers or guides that can help you going around the mountain to the top!

As for "death" ... in my book, we all simply become the same matter as what the universe has and was made of and from ... we came from there, and we return to it ... and all else is just words top describe ... nothing!
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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The English language seems to have evolved to be intentionally ambiguous which allows wiggle room for sophistry and psychological manipulation. 
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All languages do, for the most part and the Romantic languages are the worst in this aspect, since there are subtleties of grammar and language that the Italians might use that the Portuguese don't for example, and it all adds up to a bit of confusion about the same thing ... it's like you are all around one tree but everyone's description will be different and in different languages.

This is a difficult thing to get over ... but conceptually, it is the same thing ... but we think that THE BARDO is any different than all the other books, or what the original BIBLE was about, since that book has suffered the worst translations EVER, and in the various different translations it does not even say the same thing about various events!

This is one of the most difficult things about translating anything to those languages ... however, these days, due to the Internet, English seems to be leading the way, and I think it is helping show folks how the parallels exist on these books ... but it's gonna be a long day in hell before anyone tries to compare some Aleister Crowley to The Bardo, and to the Aztec Indians mythology, or Aborigene mythologies, all of these much older than the Greek horrible translations which are one of the biggest cases of turning people away from their "source" than anything else in literature ... but we don't care anymore! The similarities are astounding, given the different "paths" ... but we only see these things as completely separate internal process ... and while, YES, we are all different, in the end, the majority of the inner stuff has similarities, with the problem being that we are not capable of keeping track of it properly or learn to take notes from it!

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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Of course such disciplines like Tarot card reading are also corrupted to seem like mere entertainment rather than legit sources of self-discovery. If one is open to mind expansion then such things as Tarot cards aren't even necessary. It's just one tool out of many for self-psychological explorations.

I can tell you that in the psychic shows I participated in, it was not quite corrupt, and most were fairly legit, with the hardest part of which one of these would fit you or I better than the other one ... too many choices, but an English lady (by way of Australia) and a couple of others, also foreigners, were the best in my estimation, although one could say that it would be something that I "understand" better than the rest of the readers ... although there were some that I wondered about their abilities without the "____" or the "_____ dress."

It is good for self exploration, but what is weird to me, and others is that we are far better reading for others than ourselves. In my case, the "flowing" story is way easier to flow and follow than it is for myself. I might have to re-evaluate this, as it might be some internal mechanism that doesn't like to be looked at ... but generally, considering all the acting, internal and directing work I do, mirrors are not exactly my issue at all ... I do these easily enough, with or without me in it.
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There’s so much uncharted territory in the brain that, if you unlock those doors, you’ll never be the same.....
People seeking ‘answers’ from such means as Tarot, Psychic readings and so on crave a different perspective on their ‘issues’. You yourself, believe in what you choose to believe in.
For me, when you die, you die - the mind ceases to function, the organs shut down and it will be just blackness. Nothing. Others believe that the ‘spirit’ goes on to some other place and time.

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Again, as a young enough 37 y.o. man (and the creator of this page) I'd like to tell of my personal invention within the topic. Not so long ago, I've decided to create the sort-of-mocking 75 card tarot-alike deck. The cards that I have titled Marym. 

It's all in the process and the cranes are still active so the helmet is required and so Smile, but here are a few examples below. As usual, it is obvious that I am not Beethoven and not Van Gogh. Everything is of amateur quality, the concept is what matters here.  

As I'm Russian/Ukrainian-speaking, there are names of the cards in Russian and English. 

Although it was intended as fun and joy and good laugh, I almost had no doubt that there would be people who could really use that deck for cartomancy and other occult purposes. Like any other sets of symbols, after all. 



















At minimum, it's funny and unexpected. I hope so. 



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^ No secrets true, only consciousness expansion. Advanced mathematics is not a secret but one must go through the arduous process of disciplining oneself in order to understand the higher concepts. Same goes with occult aspects of human psychology.

You're correct about psychics and their ilk simply reading auras and energetic frequencies.

The English language seems to have evolved to be intentionally ambiguous which allows wiggle room for sophistry and psychological manipulation.

Of course such disciplines like Tarot card reading are also corrupted to seem like mere entertainment rather than legit sources of self-discovery. If one is open to mind expansion then such things as Tarot cards aren't even necessary. It's just one tool out of many for self-psychological explorations.

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A talented Tarot card reader will be well versed in many aspects of the occult well beyond those crafted for public consumption.

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Not quite ... since a "seer" or "clairvoyant" does not rely on anything historical or specific ideas about how something is done and when. They are simply "interpreting" the signals that the energies provide, and these can be visual, aural and other kinds of energies, which might not necessarily come from the cards, but THROUGH the cards, as an interpretation.

However, I have to admit that the best I have ever seen and heard, they will not always "credit" any occult aspects at all, since that is the one thing that scares people the most. The "art" itself is not occult at all, but the religious models that we know think that your ability to "see" something inside is not something that you are allowed to do because you are not sanctified to be its speaker. Thus, card reading, and any psychic consultation usually runs into problems with people that only believe a book, and ideas that were given to them and force fed all their life.

The "so-called" knowledge, is, for the most part, a sort of history of the way things were seen, and you can compare the greatest mystics known for similar thoughts and threads ... and you will find that the main concern is the LANGUAGE ... which today is way better defined through use and interaction, than it was 500 years ago, let's say ... so a lot of that stuff seems "occult" ... and it only is because no one can quite get/understand what it is saying.

IF, the inner self, was all about "secrets" ... it would be a huge problem. But, in the end, there are no secrets, except that we keep believing that we are invisible and no one can see us! The craziest thought ever, since we are "energy" beings right from the start, and children of the universe!
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I used to play the card game; it's a proper intelligent medium complexity card game, one of those I love most. Unfortunately I don't have much contact now with the people with whom I used to play it, so I haven't done it for quite a while. In the proper card game there are just suits and values and numbers, no crazy names, esotericism, or psychology. Or rather, only the psychology required to win a game.

I'm probably with BaldJean regarding the cartomancy thing, but these things interested me at the age of 18 or so and there isn't much of that interest left. Not because I think it's all too wrong or silly, I just got interested in too many other things.
 

I also have a tarot game app for Anroid on my smartphone, but still haven't learned all the details. Nice design of the cards, anyway. 

By the way, I have recently tried to make the GG-themed playing cards...Embarrassed Not the tarot deck, though. 
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I used to play the card game; it's a proper intelligent medium complexity card game, one of those I love most. Unfortunately I don't have much contact now with the people with whom I used to play it, so I haven't done it for quite a while. In the proper card game there are just suits and values and numbers, no crazy names, esotericism, or psychology. Or rather, only the psychology required to win a game.

I'm probably with BaldJean regarding the cartomancy thing, but these things interested me at the age of 18 or so and there isn't much of that interest left. Not because I think it's all too wrong or silly, I just got interested in too many other things.
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you may get really stunning revelations that way. I know because Friede and I occasionally use the cards. we really learned things about us we didn't know before, at least not in a conscious way. but when we learned them it was like "of course! why did I never notice this before"?

we usually use the Crowley Tarot. but we have other tarot sets too like a kabbalistic tarot or an I Ching tarot which we use for special questions we have


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BaldJean said it perfectly. You have to realize that Tarot cards much like Tibetan Buddhist art and other symbolic visual arts is designed to activate aspects of consciousness that have been suppressed. Like astrology, the Tarot is designed to help you uncover subtle patterns of behavior that will lead down certain inevitable paths if continued. In other words, it is giving insight into the default systems which are running our operating systems. We can basically hack our realities and change the outcome and the Tarot is designed to help stimulate these focal points in order to break free from outside programming so to speak. A talented Tarot card reader will be well versed in many aspects of the occult well beyond those crafted for public consumption.

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I second that thank you to BaldJean.

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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

you have to look at tarot cards the right way. no, they will not tell you about your fate or what to do; why should they? but while trying to interpret the meaning of the tarot cards you will get insights into yourself you didn't have before. it is not the cards that tell them, it is yourself; the cards are but a means to get to your unconscious.
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Thank you.

I was about to write that the cards are just the medium that the message comes through, like a radio or tv or any words, which, for all intents and purposes we "translate" into something that ... more often than not is "not" what we think.

One of the most important things that we learn in DIRECTING for theater and film, is that what you do will be seen differently by everyone that you show it to, and some won't get anything out of it. Others will.

Having done several "psychic shows" in Seattle and Portland in the late 80's and early 90's, I can easily say that there are some very good ones out there that are very honest about their trade and their work, and they don't fool around ... and a good friend of mine that did a lot of readings and lectures, always had a funny way in shows ... I'm not the one you want to talk to ... and of course, someone asked why? ...

The biggest issue for all of these situations is how "closed" so many folks are to hearing/listening to anything ... if it doesn't apply, it doesn't apply ... but saying outright that the person that sees this and that about you is wrong ... I'm not sure is the right thing ... it's like saying that the person over there sees you emanate BLUE ... and you deny it because it is never blue, and you hate blue!

The Tarot is fine ... the reader and the user is the issue. In my case, I never used "defined layouts" and always created a new one for each and every person in a reading. I don't seem to be good about "superimposing" this or that over someone else's image!
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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