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twseel
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 10:17 |
The thing is, he's not a jerk. After explaining our standards concerning homosexuals to him he tries to stop laughing and he felt embarassed when he did, but since it's self-evident to think it's ridiculous over in Eritrea it's hard for him to see it this way. It's stupid to say everyone from a certain place/culture is just a bit of a jerk, but differences like this do inevitably cause conflict or at least mutual dissatisfaction, it's just the question whether it can be completely resolved or if some conflict will always remain at the heart of the matter.
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Vompatti
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 10:14 |
Today I learned all cultures are compatible, there are no conflicting values or traditions between any of them, and if some individual doesn't fully assimilate to the Western culture he's "just being a jerk".
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 09:44 |
^ well the person you are describing who derides homosexuals is just being a jerk, I wouldn't give him a pass by blaming his culture, thats like making an excuse for him when really he is just a pig. If there are problems in mixing cultures, it comes from the fact that some people are xenophobes, and I wouldn't make excuses for them either, a xenophobe is a xenophobe, no excuses allowed.
Definition of xenophobe : one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin
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twseel
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 09:18 |
Easy Money wrote:
twseel wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ Why would "mixing up people from all over the world" eventually cause frustration? | Because of tribal instinct and conflicting traditions, the root of racism and oppression all over the world. I'm not arguing that it can't be overcome, I'm pretty pro-immigration myself, but the idea is not extreme right propaganda. | This is actually alien to me, I work with families and schools that are predominantly African-American and immigrants from all over the world. People get in fights over parking spots, or "why is he a starter on the team and my kid's on the bench", or 'why isn't my child doing better" etc. Or kids get in fights over bullying situations, but in several decades of working like this I have never heard anyone complain about someone else's culture, never ever.
Who are these people who have "conflicting traditions", describe them to me, because I have never experienced this myself. I am aware there are xenophobes and racists in this world if that is what you are talking about. |
I don't mean to be racist to Americans, but America makes sure to very nicely only grant permission to people who are already partly integrated and completely willing to be full-on American. The only thing in America comparable to tensions w.r.t. immigrants in Europe are the Hispanics in the south, and they are already very similar to America so it doesn't count. I have someone living in my apartment building (which was originally only meant for students) who was placed as a refugee from Eritrea to integrate. He barely speaks Dutch or English and he laughs uncontrollably at homosexuals. That causes conflict. But like I said, I'll be the last person to say he shouldn't come here altogether, considering the problems over there.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 08:36 |
Well, there's the GOP.
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 08:19 |
twseel wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ Why would "mixing up people from all over the world" eventually cause frustration? | Because of tribal instinct and conflicting traditions, the root of racism and oppression all over the world. I'm not arguing that it can't be overcome, I'm pretty pro-immigration myself, but the idea is not extreme right propaganda. | This is actually alien to me, I work with families and schools that are predominantly African-American and immigrants from all over the world. People get in fights over parking spots, or "why is he a starter on the team and my kid's on the bench", or 'why isn't my child doing better" etc. Or kids get in fights over bullying situations, but in several decades of working like this I have never heard anyone complain about someone else's culture, never ever. Who are these people who have "conflicting traditions", describe them to me, because I have never experienced this myself. I am aware there are xenophobes and racists in this world if that is what you are talking about.
Edited by Easy Money - March 23 2018 at 08:45
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 08:18 |
OK, perhaps I'm wrong. If so, I apologize, but grant me this opinion: from the dawn of time human history has consisted of mixing races. The problem is that the thousands of wars all over the globe were partially due to a conservative effort to preserve the status quo. That's what's on the verge of happening now.
To your posts; I, when reading them, have the impression that your arguments are on the line of: I'm no racist, but ....
If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but that's the impression I get.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 08:09 |
There! See what you've done?
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twseel
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 08:08 |
npjnpj wrote:
Oh for heaven's sake, don't poke it!
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I literally voted Green-Left! I'm not your opponent!
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twseel
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 08:07 |
Easy Money wrote:
^ Why would "mixing up people from all over the world" eventually cause frustration? |
Because of tribal instinct and conflicting traditions, the root of racism and oppression all over the world. I'm not arguing that it can't be overcome, I'm pretty pro-immigration myself, but the idea is not extreme right propaganda.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 08:03 |
Oh for heaven's sake, don't poke it!
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 07:24 |
^ Why would "mixing up people from all over the world" eventually cause frustration?
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twseel
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 04:10 |
My post is pending approval?? I voted green party! I have black friends! My time with the KKK was only for investigative purposes! What a time to be alive... Okay, I understand you wanna play it safe but presenting the general theory that freely mixing up people from all over the world will inevitably cause frustration is not an inherently racist thing to say, even if racists use the idea, that's not what makes them racist. Surely we can have a discussion about the viability of free immigration without labelling people?
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 01:44 |
Thank you, DamoXt7942. Much appreciated.
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 22:50 |
Some posts drenched in racism and related ones have been hidden. Thanks for your patience, for my sake.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 19:20 |
welcome back
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micky
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 19:12 |
*spits beer on monitor*
what the hell did I miss
well... this thread sure seems it went nuclear.. and without my help. Time for a fresh beer and play catch up.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 11:23 |
Laughable presumptions, particularly the idiots like Trump tweeting "No Collusion". Collusion as a term is not a federal charge, hence the infantile Trump bawls the word out like it means something. But it doesn't.
The words to use are "obstruction" and "conspiracy". Those are the words that got Nixon, as he was never charged for burglarizing the Watergate Hotel. And there's plenty of evidence to suggest Trump, his inbred family and his addled associates can all be charged. Mueller already has guilty pleas from 4 defendants, other cooperating witnesses, court dates for Manafort, and indictments of 13 Russian nationals and Russian organizations.
But you won't hear anything from Mueller until it happens. No leaks. Integrity. Unlike Trump's White House that has more leaks than a line of drunks at a urinal during a rock festival, and more tweets than a flock of crows with venereal disease. Chirpes. It's untweetable.
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progaardvark
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 08:11 |
I would say that if Mueller was fired, it would cross a red line. Some would say the firing of Comey was that red line. Ultimately I don't see the Republicans doing anything about it, except for the few that aren't concerned about re-election might speak up. The Democrats will call for impeachment, but will have to wait for the 2018 elections to see if they gain enough seats to make this possible. The media will have a field day with a Mueller firing. Worst case scenario is a constitutional crisis. This is worse than Nixon's Watergate, significantly worse.
Taking this further into the future: If Putin interferes with the 2018 U.S. election, there is a good possibility that chaos will take over for a time. It's too hard to predict much more than that. I don't see any evidence that the Trump administration is preparing for Russian interference or preparing for anything else in general because he keeps firing people and the State Department is in shambles.
To comment on the several supporters of Trump on here, all I can say is I disagree with everything you have said. I think most of this disagreement boils down to what you and I regard as reliable sources of information and sometimes even down to what actual words mean and in what context they are used.
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rushfan4
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 07:24 |
I am currently listening to the Foo Fighters. I had never heard of this Stefan Molyneux guy so I looked him up. According to Wikipedia he gives new meaning to the name Foo Fighters. :)
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