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Posted: October 02 2016 at 08:12
Black Sabbath was instrumental in building metal in general but King Crimson was very much a key player in the progressive metal scene as well. In The Court established a very early way of combining aggression and progressiveness all together. In fact KC is one of the few artists that is listed on PA, MMA and JMA. On MMA as proto-metal although some of their albums like Lizard are lacking the metal bite.
The list lacks Queen, Led Zeppelin, early Iron Maiden, Metallica (and Justice..), Crimson Glory, Mr Bungle, Tool, plus many others. I could go on. The first Watchtower album Energetic Dissassembly is rightfully the first true progressive metal album. Dude needs to work on this one a bit :)
Oh, and another thing, did these 50 albums really build progressive metal this week? Sorry, I jest.
But seriously folks; look, Book of Souls might be the best Maiden album ever (sorry Powerslave fans but it had to happen) but it's only been out a short while. How can it have built progressive metal? It's more like one of THE consequences rather than a building block.
Would've thought Rainbow's Stargazer would've found it's way there along with a soupcon of Long Live Rock And Roll. Which reminds me, very few of the above - including Rainbow would not have existed without Deep Purple, In Rock, Concerto and the rest. Which may be harsh thing to say about Deep Purple. Queen might be worth noting as well. Add in at least the first three Blue Oyster Cult albums, the first Heep albums - especially Salisbury. Along with Sabbath we have our foundation. There may be more.
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Posted: October 01 2016 at 10:55
Saperlipopette! wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Coroner and Celtic Frost
Yeah forgot about Coroner. Not so certain about the importance of Celtic Frost in this regard. What direction of progmetal did the latter band inspire? The atmospheric post metal stuff? I'm asking because I don't know - not to be difficult.
To be honest, Celtic Frost isn't a direct influence on progressive metal, but the band dared some experiences that might have led some metal bands to try doing... something else. It's true that Celtic Frost may have given ideas to the doomdeath scence, some gothic metal bands (maybe Opeth?)... rather than the likes of Dream Theater, Magellan or whatever "classical" prog-metal band. But their album Into the Pandemonium is still a milestone: it showed a path, and even if most of prog-metal bands don't follow this path, it's here.
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Posted: October 01 2016 at 10:45
Upon further consideration, when opting for a thread title that includes "albums that built progressive metal", it seems obviously odd that one would include albums from the 21st century (and include bands like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, whose glory days were 30 years previous). When one "builds" a list of this sort, there are an enormous amount of bands that laid the foundations. I mentioned Purple, Rainbow and Crimson who were strangely omitted (it looks like the presenter only owns Sabbath, Rush and Kansas albums prior to 1980), and posters have also mentioned Tull, Judas Priest and Led Zep, among others. Why not anything from the late 60s and early 70s?
Every genre has a point of origination, so why not mention:
Blue Cheer
early Alice Cooper
Montrose
Steppenwolf
Iron Butterfly
Motorhead
The Stooges
Blue Oyster Cult
Uriah Heep
Mc5
Lucifer's Friend (1970 debut)
Sir Lord Baltimore (1970 debut)
Edited by The Dark Elf - October 01 2016 at 10:51
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Posted: October 01 2016 at 10:41
The choices that the only albums important in shaping prog metal prior to 1986 are from Rush, Kansas, and Sabbath seems wrong. Definitely agree with Sad Wings of Destiny. The slant seems more on metal shaping prog metal than the prog. Certainly King Crimson's Red deserves mention as well as a Yes album. Early Iron Maiden and Metallica.
I can buy into Kansas a little because my initial reaction to Dream Theater's When Dream and Day Unite was "Kansas on speed" which I said to my roommate.
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Posted: October 01 2016 at 10:24
CPicard wrote:
Coroner and Celtic Frost
Yeah forgot about Coroner. Not so certain about the importance of Celtic Frost in this regard. What direction of progmetal did the latter band inspire? The atmospheric post metal stuff? I'm asking because I don't know - not to be difficult.
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Posted: October 01 2016 at 10:15
On a smaller scale, I can't help noticing the presence of Voivod, Watchtower and... Candlemass, but the absence of Coroner and Celtic Frost is rather... disturbing...
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Posted: October 01 2016 at 06:51
Where did Prog Metal really start... What were it's formative albums? There are likely as many opinions on that as there are a****les. Since I adore both of mine yeah seriously man... looks to me to be nothing but a list of favorite albums and if not...a severely flawed list. Kansas? are you f**king kidding me.
To me... it begins with the first musical incarnation of Judas Priest. Sad Wings of Destiny. To me.. that is the ground zero of prog metal.
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Posted: October 01 2016 at 00:43
Windhawk wrote:
I'm putting it out here in case someone has the interest to see what one of the true veterans of the progressive rock universe thinks are vital progressive metal albums. This is, after all, a guy who read books about progressive rock even before I was born.
Seriously - his list is so bad it actually fails to make sense, aside from the glaring omissions that others have mentioned it and some of the bewildering post 1990 choices it simply doesn't meet the brief of covering the albums that built Prog Metal and looks more like some old guy's list of 50 favourite albums to me. It's just a list.
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Posted: September 30 2016 at 20:48
^ We were using the term in SF in the early '80s.
Here's ten for ya . . .
Black Sabbath s/t Tull War Child Lucifer's Friend Banquet Automatic Fine Tuning AFT Rush Hemispheres Led Zep Presence Angel Witch s/t Iron Maiden s/t Voivod Dimension Hatröss Metallica And Justice...
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Posted: September 30 2016 at 17:32
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Kansas??
Nothing by Deep Purple?
I agree about Kansas. WTF?
And no Deep Purple or Rainbow seems completely off. Also strange is that he ignored King Crimson. It would seem he is rather light on historical perspective.
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Posted: September 30 2016 at 16:51
The absence of King Crimson is a little disconcerting, but what's really troubling me here is the fact that Moving Pictures is in the bloody top 10!
I don't follow prog metal at all but I can't help but feel that the leading artists in the genre aren't usually sitting back and trying their best to channel the MTV-friendly AOR spirit of "Limelight" when they're writing their 20+ minute extreme technical epics...
And of all the Judas Priest albums that they feel "built" prog metal...Nostradamus? From 2008? I'm pretty sure that prog metal was an established thing before 2008!
Edited by Magnum Vaeltaja - September 30 2016 at 16:54
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Posted: September 30 2016 at 16:30
The abundance of Fates Warning is a good sign, however. I, myself, prefer their early stuff when they were trying to be an Iron Maiden cover band (i.e. Night on Brocken) but they were always pushing boundaries and I respect them for that, even if I didn't always care for the results.
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Posted: September 30 2016 at 16:14
These lists are always subjective and can't be taken as more than a bit of fun. I own 29 of them but if you're including Iron Maiden then The Book Of Souls is a bit late to have any influence of the building of prog metal. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son released more than 25 years earlier would have been a better choice.
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Posted: September 30 2016 at 14:10
So the first Iron Maiden-album that helped build prog metal came out last year. Right. There must be atleast 20 albums included here that's pure subjective silliness - including every single album released the last 15 years. Three albums by Garden Wall but no Metallica, Megadeth or Death. Black Sabbath is essential but four albums, including two of their worst: Never Say Die and Technical Exctacy? No rom for anything by Rainbow, King Crimson, Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin.
and Kansas?... Why?
People are to generous. I don't care all that much about prog metal but do not approve.
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micky wrote:
Seriously - his list is so bad it actually fails to make sense, aside from the glaring omissions that others have mentioned 
