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Poll Question: Which of these do you still believe in?
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3 [5.00%]
23 [38.33%]
1 [1.67%]
2 [3.33%]
0 [0.00%]
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2 [3.33%]
5 [8.33%]
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I just realized I hadn't seen him in a while, and then he turned up in the thread about Jon Anderson's new album.
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Originally posted by sublime220 sublime220 wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

I like how they get the forum going. But one thread a day is good enough. Icarium and Mickey don't normally post that many threads, and Ica's don't get enough replies for me to even see them most of the time. 

Sventonio's offense is only partially the amount of threads he makes. The other part is that they're all bandcamp suggestions.
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Yeah....evidently, seeing as it's we who have invented the concept of a God.  I do not mean to offend believers and I am a believer who dislikes organised religion really....but God is as much a man made creation as aeroplanes and cars if we look at it from a cold, hard, scientific perspective.  Only, like a great writer's work, God resides in our imagination, whereas we can see, feel and touch aeroplanes and cars.  So, yeah, I do not subscribe to the atheist myth that eliminating the concept of God would miraculously make the world a better place.  Communist Russia is proof enough.  My state of origin in India has been under the rule of a party that claims to be atheist and they are no less corrupt than the ones that appeal to religion.  Ironically, both parties are equally as likely to look askance if right wing fringe groups kill rationalists who dared to venture too far in questioning superstition and rituals.
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If we got rid of the idea of God completely, humanity would suck just as much.

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If we got rid of the idea of God completely, humanity would suck just as much.
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Points: 20430 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2015 at 16:47
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Guns and Gods


Those two are my tops on this list, though Monogamy and Capitalism are really close behind

But Dean's answer on all choices, I can easily endorseClap, with maybe a tad of a shade about private school... I just wish that public schooling was as good (in terms or results) as those bloody private things.





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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

There is no god - immaterial if there is or their isn't - gods are a redundant concept - we've managed to dispel belief in the majority of them, it's only a matter of time before the last remaining few are dispatched or their believers wipe each other from the planet.



I’m a bit surprised at you Dean; you seem to be a logical chap.  You’re looking at this one sided only.  It can also go the other way; the believers can change this planet into a utopia for mankind.  You need to think about all the numerous and great humanitarians as well as leaders that were devotees.   Don’t forget about benevolent and compassionate humanitarians such as mother Teresa as well as great leaders such as Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King.


Ah, I was with you right up until you suggested that it also goes the other way, because after 4500 years, 2015 years and 1500 years of different versions of essentially following the same damn god it hasn't done yet and doesn't look like it is going to any time soon. The absolutely shi*ty deeds of the many by far outweigh the good deeds of the few.

And as for the Mother Teresa bit... not everyone thinks she was a saint, and looking at the evidence I'm inclined to agree with them. (I'll not rake that up here because it's not relevant and I can't be bothered getting into sl*g.ing-off a dead person, search and ye shall find).




I suggested that it can or may, not necessarily that it will.   The future is not certain. 

As far as if the planet would be better off without religion this is also somewhat uncertain.  If the masters such as Jesus, Muhammad, Krishna, Lau Tzu, the Buddha’s, etc. never roamed the earth would this world really be better off today? 


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When she was very young my daughter came home from school very distraught because she had been told by a teacher that I would go to hell for not believing in god. I quietly explained to her that I couldn't go somewhere I didn't believe existed. When she asked where I would go when I died I replied that I didn't know, but as long as there weren't teachers, schools and homework I'd be more than happy.
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I went to Catholic school from 1st - 8th grade and it's a shame how youngsters are indoctrinated by half truths.  I was lucky to conclude by the 4th grade that the nuns as well as "grownups" just didn't know. I determined this by the answers I received to my questions as well as the behaviors i witnessed.  Some of the nuns were unjust, unfair and just plain evil.

It’s a shame that our educational system doesn’t compel students to think for themselves; the sciences included.  The power of memorization is good but shouldn’t only be used to memorize so called facts in order to pass an exam. I think children as well as adults should question everything. 

Instead of educators presenting matters as fact, they should present the material as; this is what we know so far, we’re not sure if its right, decide for yourselves, the ball is in your hands. 

I really wonder how much of our science is completely wrong.  And how much is actually right.

Question everything, even the basics. There is no such thing as an isolated system in nature so why should the strong force be any different? Maybe there’s something else going on there?
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

You don't have to make a thread about every single thought that crosses your mind
why not? everyone else seems to.

TIL Svetonio, Condor, Micky and Icarium are "everybody" on a website with over 50000 members

I'd like to know what threads Micky has been starting in recent times, or if he's ever started anything comparable to Condor's threads. He hasn't visited the forum in days, and in any case I don't believe he deserves to be treated as a nuisance.

He just goes on kicks where he posts 45 prog polls in 1 day, completely flooding every other thread out of view


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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

I like how they get the forum going. But one thread a day is good enough. Icarium and Mickey don't normally post that many threads, and Ica's don't get enough replies for me to even see them most of the time. 

Sventonio's offense is only partially the amount of threads he makes. The other part is that they're all bandcamp suggestions.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

I have no complaint about either Mickey or any threads he starts, so please don't lump me with Triceratopsoil on this.


I wasn't, and apologize for making it look like that. I probably should have looked for his original post, but somewhat ended up replying to your post instead.
 
No worries, I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't taking issue, the other guy was.
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I like how they get the forum going. But one thread a day is good enough. Icarium and Mickey don't normally post that many threads, and Ica's don't get enough replies for me to even see them most of the time. 

Sventonio's offense is only partially the amount of threads he makes. The other part is that they're all bandcamp suggestions.
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Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

I have no complaint about either Mickey or any threads he starts, so please don't lump me with Triceratopsoil on this.


I wasn't, and apologize for making it look like that. I probably should have looked for his original post, but somewhat ended up replying to your post instead.
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I have no complaint about either Mickey or any threads he starts, so please don't lump me with Triceratopsoil on this.
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

You don't have to make a thread about every single thought that crosses your mind
 
why not? everyone else seems to.


TIL Svetonio, Condor, Micky and Icarium are "everybody" on a website with over 50000 members


I'd like to know what threads Micky has been starting in recent times, or if he's ever started anything comparable to Condor's threads. He hasn't visited the forum in days, and in any case I don't believe he deserves to be treated as a nuisance.
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An amusing but very annoying incident that happened in my wedding ceremony.  In Hindu marriage, the groom appoints one priest and the bride another and together they both cook up the wedding.  Since the bride's priest has more work to do, he gets paid more...accepted convention. Now, to my bad luck, the priest our family appointed (who has performed ceremonies for several of my relatives in the past) happened to be the father in law of the one my wife's family appointed.  G-Priest's ego was hurt to learn he would be paid much less than B-Priest and G-Priest chose to punish us by asking for more than what he had initially agreed for.  Left a very bad taste in the mouth, needless to say. As it is, I am a strong advocate of just getting a simple ceremony done at the registrar's office and throwing a grand party to relatives and friends instead.  Especially so in inter-caste/inter-religion marriages where trying to perform a traditional ceremony as per one religion is just tomfoolery imho.  Would have done likewise had my wife not been from a more 'traditional' family.  Maybe whenever my little one (there isn't one yet) gets married, I could persuade all concerned of the pros of my idea.  What 'sanctity' is supposed to be conferred on the wedding by the priest being there to perform it was robbed by his pettiness, sorry to say.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ah, I was with you right up until you suggested that it also goes the other way, because after 4500 years, 2015 years and 1500 years of different versions of essentially following the same damn god it hasn't done yet and doesn't look like it is going to any time soon. The absolutely shi*ty deeds of the many by far outweigh the good deeds of the few.

And as for the Mother Teresa bit... not everyone thinks she was a saint, and looking at the evidence I'm inclined to agree with them. (I'll not rake that up here because it's not relevant and I can't be bothered getting into sl*g.ing-off a dead person, search and ye shall find).



Exactly, they have had far too much time to get it done and they haven't because they HAVE to quarrel so much over each religion's version of utopia instead of accepting there may be more than one path to salvation, if there is such a thing.  

An amusing but very annoying incident that happened in my wedding ceremony.  In Hindu marriage, the groom appoints one priest and the bride another and together they both cook up the wedding.  Since the bride's priest has more work to do, he gets paid more...accepted convention. Now, to my bad luck, the priest our family appointed (who has performed ceremonies for several of my relatives in the past) happened to be the father in law of the one my wife's family appointed.  G-Priest's ego was hurt to learn he would be paid much less than B-Priest and G-Priest chose to punish us by asking for more than what he had initially agreed for.  Left a very bad taste in the mouth, needless to say. As it is, I am a strong advocate of just getting a simple ceremony done at the registrar's office and throwing a grand party to relatives and friends instead.  Especially so in inter-caste/inter-religion marriages where trying to perform a traditional ceremony as per one religion is just tomfoolery imho.  Would have done likewise had my wife not been from a more 'traditional' family.  Maybe whenever my little one (there isn't one yet) gets married, I could persuade all concerned of the pros of my idea.  What 'sanctity' is supposed to be conferred on the wedding by the priest being there to perform it was robbed by his pettiness, sorry to say.


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Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

There is no god - immaterial if there is or their isn't - gods are a redundant concept - we've managed to dispel belief in the majority of them, it's only a matter of time before the last remaining few are dispatched or their believers wipe each other from the planet.



I’m a bit surprised at you Dean; you seem to be a logical chap.  You’re looking at this one sided only.  It can also go the other way; the believers can change this planet into a utopia for mankind.  You need to think about all the numerous and great humanitarians as well as leaders that were devotees.   Don’t forget about benevolent and compassionate humanitarians such as mother Teresa as well as great leaders such as Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King.


Ah, I was with you right up until you suggested that it also goes the other way, because after 4500 years, 2015 years and 1500 years of different versions of essentially following the same damn god it hasn't done yet and doesn't look like it is going to any time soon. The absolutely shi*ty deeds of the many by far outweigh the good deeds of the few.

And as for the Mother Teresa bit... not everyone thinks she was a saint, and looking at the evidence I'm inclined to agree with them. (I'll not rake that up here because it's not relevant and I can't be bothered getting into sl*g.ing-off a dead person, search and ye shall find).




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Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Monogamy is ridiculous - the concept of legal marriage maybe, but monogomy suits me just fine
Capitalism must be abolished - all -isms are silly, there are no one-size-fits-all ideologies
There is no god - immaterial if there is or their isn't - gods are a redundant concept - we've managed to dispel belief in the majority of them, it's only a matter of time before the last remaining few are dispatched or their believers wipe each other from the planet.
Meat is murder - an emotional reaction that I couldn't care an less about. All food should be treated with dignity.
Nation states will go - nope.
Leadership is evil - people are evil, the love of power is evil.
Guns are evil - people are evil, the love of guns is evil.
My kids will never go to a private school - moot since she didn't; however I spent more money per annum paying for a child-minder to look after her during the day before she reached school age than the fees for a private school would have cost.
Only idiots smoke - I've met several idiots in my time, not all of them smoked.
All of them - no, not all of them
None of them - no, not none of them




I’m a bit surprised at you Dean; you seem to be a logical chap.  You’re looking at this one sided only.  It can also go the other way; the believers can change this planet into a utopia for mankind.  You need to think about all the numerous and great humanitarians as well as leaders that were devotees.   Don’t forget about benevolent and compassionate humanitarians such as mother Teresa as well as great leaders such as Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King.



I am sure Teresa was a great person but not so sure about her followers.  Govt has recently insisted that adoption support must not be denied to single parents; if provided, it should be provided universally.  The Missionaries of Charity decided this was completely anathema to their Christian values and withdrew adoption support altogether.  Not the most spiritual or compassionate act, I must say.  I would not completely write off the scope for religion to heal.  But for that, it must reform itself...or should I say, be allowed to reform and do away with a lot of 'rules' that are simply incompatible with modern liberal values. Unless we continue to insist modern liberal values by themselves are abhorrent.... which is what hardliners in just about every religion seem to do and thereby end up using it more as a tool that punishes the supposedly non compliant.  Somebody like Gandhi broadly held the ability to retain God-faith without letting details of religious ritual and rules get in the way of compassion.  But sadly have to say people like him seem to be in a minority.
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