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Padraic
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 14:19 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 14:16 |
Right, hang on this is getting out off hand..!!
Jared, stop making James think I'm some kind of pervert. The incident with the two headed chick boy, with the rubber mask aside (that was`research), I'm perfectly normal..
A Zwinky is an infuriating ad that pops up sometimes while transferring from one page on this website to another. You have to click skip ad to get rid of it. To be honest I dont actually know what it is. I've never stuck around long enough to read the ad!!
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 10:54 |
fandango wrote:
James wrote:
What is a "Zwinky"? |
its a rare opportunity for us batchelors to be able to dress and undress young women in the privacy of our own homes...
...I think Andy 'no mates' Robinson should be profoundly grateful that something so fulfilling had been designed with him in mind... |
So he's bought a blow-up doll then?
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Dean
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 10:48 |
fandango wrote:
Heavyfreight wrote:
This has become the rational debating room now AND IT'S P!SS!NG ME OFF********. |
well, forgive me for indulging in some rational debating every once in a while....
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"This is a ranting room A room in which to rant While all the men and women plant. This is a ranting room But I won't be ranting soon.
"Father why are all the children ranting? They are merely crying son. Oh, are they merely crying father? Yes, true ranting is yet to come."
(with apologies to Mr Cave )
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Jared
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Location: Hereford, UK
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 10:40 |
James wrote:
What is a "Zwinky"? |
its a rare opportunity for us batchelors to be able to dress and undress young women in the privacy of our own homes...
...I think Andy 'no mates' Robinson should be profoundly grateful that something so fulfilling had been designed with him in mind...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Padraic
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 10:32 |
The NHS is good and all, but National Health is so much more Canterbury and satisfying!
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 10:32 |
What is a "Zwinky"?
Edited by James - August 13 2008 at 10:32
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 10:24 |
Quick rant:
Has anyone customised their f ing 'Zwinky' yet?? I know what I'd like to do with mine everytime it pops up!
Hopefully, you know what I'm talking about..
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 08:51 |
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LinusW
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 07:34 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
Why do people think that Hemispheres has brilliant lyrics?!
ARGHDUHDUWHIH!
/rant. Thought it wouldn't be nice to spoil the mood of the Rush lyrics thread.
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I don't. And being a fan, I hope it can ease your pain. Here's to a quick recovery!
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 06:52 |
Why do people think that Hemispheres has brilliant lyrics?!
ARGHDUHDUWHIH!
/rant. Thought it wouldn't be nice to spoil the mood of the Rush lyrics thread.
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Jared
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 06:52 |
Heavyfreight wrote:
This has become the rational debating room now AND IT'S P!SS!NG ME OFF********. |
well, forgive me for indulging in some rational debating every once in a while....
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 06:42 |
Heavyfreight wrote:
This has become the rational debating room now AND IT'S P!SS!NG ME OFF********.
That said the whole topic of modern medicine and the NHS is a very difficult one. The whole reason for NICE was to look at the global picture and not just one illness at a time. The stark truth is that as the population becomes older and we discover new and more complicated (expensive) cures for diseases the actual financial cost of running the NHS will eventually be higher than the UK tax take. We simply cannot give every available treatment to everybody who needs it forever. I think that we need to revisit the NHS and that it should be there to provide basic health cover and emergency treatment. many other things such as fertility treatment, plastic surgery, etc. etc. will have to be services that we pay for. |
Oh believe me Neil I have full intentions to RANT and not rationalise. AT ALL.
Given 3 choices, Surgery (99.9% chance of it killing you) , Do nothing (100% chance of it killing you) or Drugs that in 20% of cases have prolonged life by up to 5 years........... the drugs are THE only option.
These are the choices we are facing for my Mum right now.
(Only choice 3 isn't "cost effective" .......... so has been removed.)
Not pretty huh?
I have always been a supporter of the NHS, mostly because my Mum is a huge supporter of it. Yes, I was once admitted at noon, on the table by 1pm and released 6 weeks later after a NASTY dose of MRSA and 2 weeks in coma, ................despite this I firmly believe the NHS is a very good thing.
Farming out the "management" and the "cleaning" is a MASSIVE problem, bring back matron I say!
I know we all feel most about what most effects us, but life saving should never be second choice to "life style" as far as medical desicions go.
IT STINKS.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 06:06 |
have to admit Bok Choy (how we spell it on the West Coast) is not one of my favorite greens, not much flavor.. give me some collards any day
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Dean
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 05:57 |
Having experienced the NHS firsthand recently I have nothing but praise for them, admitted at 4pm, under the knife by 1am and home by 5pm the following day without contracting MRSA or any other life-threatening viruses. Even the food was partially edible...
...which brings me to my rant: Pak Choy.
I heard on the TV on Monday that thanks to Global Warming we can now grow Pak Choy in Wisbech, East Anglia, UK...
Well, excuse me, but do we really need yet another brassica to grace our kitchens? Isn't cabbage, broccoli , cauliflower, curly kale, spring greens and brussels sprouts enough without recourse to exotics such as kohlrabi and Pak Choy? Do we actually need to con our jaded palates into consuming what is essentially cabbage by another name when there is a plethora of native vegetables that can be used to fill the cap between meat and potatoes on our plates? For that is all it is, an accompaniment, not a primary ingredient - boiled grass would do the same job if we had the ability to digest it. Can we honestly tell the difference between time honoured "greens" boiled in salted water for 4 hours until all colour and flavour has been leeched away so all that remains is the stench that has been permanently infused into the kitchen walls over countless generations and some overpriced "organic" designer vegetable that is lightly sautéed in sesame seed oil and dressed with a smattering of Balsamic vinegar and sprinkled with shaved white truffle and pine nuts once we've pinched our noses, closed our eyes and swallowed the damn stuff without chewing?
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Neil
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 03:51 |
This has become the rational debating room now AND IT'S P!SS!NG ME OFF********.
That said the whole topic of modern medicine and the NHS is a very difficult one. The whole reason for NICE was to look at the global picture and not just one illness at a time. The stark truth is that as the population becomes older and we discover new and more complicated (expensive) cures for diseases the actual financial cost of running the NHS will eventually be higher than the UK tax take. We simply cannot give every available treatment to everybody who needs it forever. I think that we need to revisit the NHS and that it should be there to provide basic health cover and emergency treatment. many other things such as fertility treatment, plastic surgery, etc. etc. will have to be services that we pay for.
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Jared
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Location: Hereford, UK
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 17:24 |
Blacksword wrote:
I had heard something about that, but I cant remember who compiled the report. Do you know? |
I'm sorry Andy, I really can't remember...certainly non-governmental; it might have been a University. The only things I can remember was that the samples taken were extensive, the report had taken a long time to compile and had been a costly exercise...I believe it had been commissioned by Industry (probably the CBI).
Interestingly, one substantially sized group which crept under the radar, and were not counted in the 20% were young people who lived at home, working part time hours (eg behind a bar, as a DJ etc) but lived at home and didn't claim benefit, but are damaging their long term career prospects, and not contributing greatly to the economy....
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 08:12 |
limeyrob wrote:
Point of order please. This drug is NOT a cure - which is one reason why NICE have made their decision. As I understand it this drug gives the patient a few more years.
I'm not going into the ethics of such a decision just merely pointing out a fact
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Actually in some cases the drug halts the growth of the cancer, in some it has no effect, and in some it diminishes the cancer.
What it does do for most cases is mean that the patient can live fairly normally through the last months of their life, rather than being doped up on massive ammounts of morphine.
A good quality of departure of this life I think is more desirable than a painful befuddled one. IT gives dignity to the patient, and quality to the precious remaining time.
The drug is the only real beacon of hope available to the people who need it. Without it they are firmly on the no-hope list.
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 08:10 |
fandango wrote:
^^^did you see that report out last week, Andy, which said that 20% of young people 16-24 in the UK are not in work, education or any form of apprenticeship/training??
the governments official figure is 7%...
if its true, it means that the tax paying population will decrease in future years, at the same time the population is aging, and such drugs will become more necessary... |
I had heard something about that, but I cant remember who compiled the report. Do you know?
One this is for certain, a 'goverment figure' is, indeed always worth questioning..
It makes you wonder how other European countries cope. They too have aging populations with the same needs as ours. France, Germany, Greece and numerous other European countries are said to have superior health services to ours, and their retired folk enjoy more generous pensions, so with - in some cases - smaller working populations than ours, how do they afford it? I suspect they earmark a higher % of their GDP to such things. I believe, in France (under Chirac) 38% of GDP was given over to healthcare, although this was further propped up by some private funding. At that time, only 27% of GDP was earmarked for healthcare in the UK. We also pay the highest duty on booze, baccy and fuel, almost 50% at retail price in some cases. WHO is pocketting all this money??
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Jared
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 07:56 |
^^^did you see that report out last week, Andy, which said that 20% of young people 16-24 in the UK are not in work, education or any form of apprenticeship/training??
the governments official figure is 7%...
if its true, it means that the tax paying population will decrease in future years, at the same time the population is aging, and such drugs will become more necessary...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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