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Kingsnake 
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 Posted: November 07 2016 at 02:56 |
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What is the 2009 fiasco?
And so the feud is between the two vocalists? Who was the frontman/woman? Most bandfeuds are because of that (Barclay James Harvest, Wishbone Ash etc.) Maybe it's bassist/vocalist thing. Now that I think of it John Payne and John Wetton are bassist/vocalist aswell. Damn, maybe that's a force to reckon with...
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 07 2016 at 02:48 |
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I really don't know that Annie and Michael had a feud and the band had to be broken up simply because it had become untenable. I suspect also that Annie was both unhappy as well as struggling with self doubt by the end of the 80s so getting away from Renaissance wasn't such a bad idea. The real feud was between Annie and Jon, still is. And because Terence sided with Jon during the 2009 fiasco, he too got left out of the new band. As for future plans Annie has talked about a new studio album but at present seems to be contended with touring.
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Kingsnake
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Posted: November 07 2016 at 02:11 |
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I have so much love for Annie Haslam, but also all the other artists involved in various incarnations of the band.
Just like a lot of other groups (Wishbone Ash, Barclay James Harvest, Great White, Asia, LA Guns) something along the line went amiss, and people got into fights, and different incarnations of bands emerged. In the case of Renaissance, matters are solved. In the nineties it was difficult to distinguish the (3!!) different Renaissance-bands and they all put out albums. It's sad that Tout, Thatcher and Dunford all died along the way and Sullivan is not part of the band anymore. But with a great group of talented musicians (amongst them Jason Hart!!), Annie released Symphony of Light, wich is a really, really great album. The songs were all written by Dunford, maybe that's why it sounds so good.
I'm curious as to what Annie will do next. Her solo albums are also really worth it. |
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micky
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Posted: November 06 2016 at 09:01 |
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ahhhhh......
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 06 2016 at 08:57 |
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I can't believe I am actually going to post this photo in this here thread but anything for you micky. So here's a nice photo to stare at while you play the albums on your speakers:
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micky
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Posted: November 06 2016 at 07:27 |
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you shouldn't have told me that...
*spits first beer of the day all over monitor* I know which group/album i"m putting on next.... though not sure what to tell Raff when she asks what that smile on my face is all about as I'm listening to it... Edited by micky - November 06 2016 at 07:27 |
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kenethlevine
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Posted: November 06 2016 at 07:24 |
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I don't know if I should say this to you Micky, but Annie said it would be easier to just perform naked!
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micky
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Posted: November 06 2016 at 05:30 |
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for shame guys... it has been a couple of pages
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 05 2016 at 20:37 |
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Yes, true, this is why they have only rarely performed Captive Heart for that matter. You need Annie singing all the different vocal parts which of course can't be done live. Agreed too that Closer than Yesterday works better being the lone typical Ren ballad on SFAS and without it, not so much. The arrangements are pretty pale and generic for the era (whereas say Captive Heart has some fabulous piano playing for the first minute or more).
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kenethlevine
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Posted: November 05 2016 at 20:28 |
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Annie mentioned they never did "Closer than Yesterday" live due to all the vocal parts. Mark Lambert took the first part and sang it very high to approximate one of the Annie's, but I keopt thinking someone was missing their lines. Probably needs a bit more work. Also, IMO, "Closer than Yesterday" works so well where it is on "Song for All Seasons", being just what is needed after the emotional roller coaster of "Day of the Dreamer". Out of that context, it's rather ordinary. yes, I think I mean vibrato! They were quite clear about no videos. Pictures were allowed with no flash and as long has hands were not being held high. My friend got a few so if I may try to post one or two. "Song for all Seasons" was also excellent, with Rave taking the orchestral parts and Tom the synths and mellotron brass. Again, they don't quite hit the pivotal moment with enough force, where the brass tron plays its rousing note - it's there, but not high enough in the mix. But I really can't complain. It almost makes up for not having it on the live DVD. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 05 2016 at 19:48 |
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Yes, we did get advance intimation on facebook that they were going to add Closer than yesterday on these shows. I don't know if they ever performed it in the 70s. Even trawling through the uploads of the very kind ProgressiveMan on youtube, I could not find a single performance of it.
Re tremolo, you probably mean vibrato and it definitely sounds like over the years Annie has lost her vibrato a bit (and she never had a very prominent one to begin with). It is also a natural consequence of switching to the whistle register for really high notes that she was earlier able to get to in her modal voice; much harder to generate vibrato in the whistle voice especially if the attack is harsh rather than relaxed. And very interesting that Lambert did the solo on Ashes Are Burning; Andy Powell did it live with the band maybe once back in the day and that's it. Hope somebody's captured it but Annie is very strict.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: November 05 2016 at 18:35 |
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super show in Londonderry, NH last night!
the set list: Prologue Carpet of the Sun Closer than Yesterday (never played live before this tour) Grandine Il Vento Symphony of Light Songs of the Sea Mystic and the Muse Mother Russia Song for all Seasons Ashes are Burning From the last US tour, they dropped Immortal Beloved and Northern Lights, adding Closer than Yesterday and Mystic and the Muse. On "Ashes", the solos by bassist Leo Traversa and keyboardist Tom Brislin were even better than before, simply awesome. The biggest surprise was in the coda to "Ashes", Mark Lambert picked up an electric guitar and wailed away in stunning and surprisingly flashy fashion, finally strumming as the crowd stood and clapped for Annie's flourish. I notice she has perhaps gotten even better at holding notes but doesn't try to do the tremolo (?) as much. Intimate venue, great seats, excellent audience and band performance.
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rogerthat
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Posted: September 03 2016 at 05:57 |
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Great news for Renee songs fans. Repertoire Records is going to release the Sight & Sound concert of 1977 in DVD plus ACD as well as two other live concerts that were broadcast on BBC radio in 75 and 76 and three songs they ostensibly performed live-in-the-studio in 78.
While I do not see the Sight & Sound video as the holy grail of Ren fans that it is made out to be, I certainly wouldn't mind having it in my collection now that I have an official way of owning it. It's a great package, hope the price is great too.
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rogerthat
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Had the chance today to listen to some live clips from recent years of both Pentangle and Steeleye Span and both McShee and Maddy Prior barely reach for the high notes (and these aren't really high notes like the ones Annie hits, just high w.r.t the particular song). What's amazing is Annie pushed her voice to the limit in the 70s - unlike them - and still has it intact after all these years.
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 15 2016 at 10:06 |
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Not Renaissance but Ren fans might enjoy...Annie Haslam singing for Caravan.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: July 04 2016 at 18:20 |
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they are also playing in Bethlehem, PA Nov 9! Since I have a friend there whom I often visit, I will probably go. It's about 5 hours from Boston
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 04 2016 at 10:04 |
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Sorry to hear that, she was a great singer and Annie definitely used to evoke McShee esp early on before she expanded her repertoire. Yes, her (Annie's) longevity is just amazing, isn't it? I commented on it elsewhere, that she's winning over people just by still being there and being able to still perform at a high level on stage.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: July 04 2016 at 10:01 |
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Haven't read this thread and never been a huge fan - I do like all their 70's albums quite a bit though. But clicking those two live clips on this page made me want to see them live. Annie's impressive voice is still there!
(btw: stay away from whomever calls themselves Pentangle these days. Jacqui McShee has totally lost it. Same can be said about Sonja Kristina, but she never had a fantastic voice and the concert was kind of fun anyway)
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Posted: July 04 2016 at 09:03 |
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Good news for the band's IL fans, they are coming to Chicago.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 17 2016 at 19:16 |
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Yeah, plus I am sure they would have played SFAS in this concert because it's now in the setlist ever since they reintroduced it what last November. Yes, do try the surround sound, it beefs up the audio like anything.
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