Should Metallica be in the forum?

The point made by Cert in the older thread

Metallica were at the forefront, and "Master Of Puppets" was the very first of its kind - there was nothing like it before, or even at the time. Anyone that knows their metal history, as Cert does, would definitely agree with this point.  AJFA was easily more progressive than what most of the metal scene, let alone thrash metal, were doing at the time.

Exodus: Concentrated on riffs As did Megadeth really and not a prog trait obviously

Slayer: Absolutely revolutionary, but confined to the narrow area they chose to explore - and it's a good job they did, because they were/are fantastic at what they do. "Reign in Blood" is still a benchmark that has never been surpassed - but it ain't prog! Exactly

Anthrax - you're making me laugh! Indeed Cert.

Kreator - don't confuse technical with progressive. Kreator were never progressive. Fabulous technical thrash though.   Although yes, technical riffs, most the of soloing was very unimpressive, based around many tremolo picked lines for some of the albums, to hide the lack of alternate picking ability. Arguably, the peak of technical thrash around that period, was Megadeth's Rust In Peace, which featured many tempo changes, a few songs with odd time signatures, and of course Marty Friedman's lead guitar style which contained virtuosity perhaps only matched by fellow Bay Area Thrashers. Testament (Alex Skolnick, guitarist in question, with superb technical ability). Sorry Kirk, but your playing is not quite up to that level

Sodom - Sod 'em! Haven't really heard them enough, but my understanding is that they were one of the more simple of the thrash bands

And of coures, that also helps serve to make a point that the other thrash bands are not justified for inclusion.

I think it serves to make a point, if you want to understand why Metallica is just progressive as many 'prog' artists, you have to listen to it in the correct context, and you absolutely must, know heavy metal history. We keep forgetting Voivod, one the other pioneers of combining thrash with prog to make progressive metal. Listen to them as well, and that will help to make people see how Metallica were truly progressive.

Hell, I wont die if Metallica aren't up for inclusion, because we still have Voivod, Queensryche and Fates Warning in here, but obviously I maintain my position as Metallica being one of the first prog metal bands.

Atavachron wrote: undoubtedly, and Metallica won't be added to the site anytime soon

zafreth wrote: Besides i think that the poll is talking itself

undoubtedly, and Metallica won't be added to the site anytime soon

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hahah.. yeah... it seems like a sport to see who can distance themselves from ....errr..and grrrr.. being LABELED (have I mentioned today how much I hate that word ) prog.
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Besides i think that the poll is talking itself

 ^ but you don't have to be accomplished at classical to do progressive metal, that's like saying Floyd weren't progressive cause Gilmour couldn't shred and Rick Wright was dull compared to Wakeman, or that Rush aren't progressive cause they come from a hard rock background   ..and many artist don't consider themselves 'prog',  never stopped us before









Edited by Atavachron - August 13 2008 at 19:02

zafreth wrote: Of course Mike, but Those albums are cited by guitar player, in the Heaviest 50 albums of all time.   Slayer Reing in Blood in number 6. Metallica Master of... in number 17.   I think that both albums are totally heavy metal and all his variants.

but how does an album being considered 'heaviest' by a magazine mean it wasn't a prog album.. A Passion Play was #1in the U.S. for a time in 1973, does that mean it was a pop record only disguised as pretentious, widely-panned prog nonsense?

 

Should Metallica be in the forum?


No


I think they are not even close to the word "prog", and I don't see particoular musicianship in their albums either and I think Lars Ulrich's drumming is very weak (remember Metallica fans, that's just my opinion)

I think: NO, despite somewhat "Progressive" elements in his music, Metallica is pure Heavy Metal creation, it's like said that Slayer  or Anthrax goes to PA.