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JJLehto 
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
 Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:12 |
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In this area it was pretty much next to death and taxes.
Which btw I fully agree with even with his nightmare of a season.
It's our OC who needs the boot (or a serious talking to about changing styles but the Giants let each person have their sphere) and I love Jerry Reese but he has to fix our talent situation. Making the painful choice of saying "we love you but time to move on" from many vets/underperformers and get new talent. Ironically, defense and o line are the same issues!
Edit: Wasn't LeBron also supposed to come here? I recall the mayor getting ready to rename it "New James City"
you'd think people would cool the jets after so many failed predictions! Edited by JJLehto - November 04 2013 at 13:16 |
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:07 |
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Of course. Remember they were calling for Coughlin's head years ago...and then they won the SB. And he's still around.
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:55 |
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Honestly, sounds like just another Pittsburgh person who pines for the glory days.
Also one who is taking one loss, albeit a bad one, a bit reactionary.
As a Yankee fan MoM maybe you'll get this, though keep in mind you still dont get quite the same impact as we who grew up here in the heart of it...the dynasty can't roll forever. And it's damn tough to give it up. Many still fight tooth and nail in their mind to "restore the glory" and in their minds anything short of WS victory is still a failure. But the team also sucked for a long period, and my dad never saw success on a grand scale until the 90s so ya know, get to reality there's gunna be some down years.
If they are 10-6+ next year and in the playoffs of course all this never happened and Tomlin is a ok
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:46 |
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Well it's good to be king until the good times crumble then they come with swords after you
This will be his first losing season, even Cowher had a couple.
The GM better get some talent on the field! I hear their defense can start collecting social security now and the O line is wanted for assault on Ben. Not a winning formula
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 11:39 |
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This is today's article from the Pittsburgh sports writer I most respect:
Steelers' disgraceful effort demands action |
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 11:11 |
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I doubt Pittsburgh will let a coach rack up too many losing seasons. Bring Cowher back.
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 09:14 |
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Not if they keep missing the playoffs.
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 08:57 |
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First, crazy stuff with Kubiak. Hope he's all right.
Well, yall know my (fairly controversial) belief that coaches are like the President, they get too much praise and blame. Esp the head coach...the OC/DC and GM are more responsible directly IMO. They are the ones that after all that build the team, and come up with the plays and calls and etc
I know it varies each team how the power structure is, and some they all share but yeah, the head coach is more a general coach/keeping the team together and etc etc in my book I mean, how much super attention can they focus on? Their area of expertise maybe but kind of have to delegate, and OC/GM are more responsible for success in my book.
Doesn't put a coach above blame, as to your specific question about Tomlin: Success. Been to 2 SBs and won one, so that helps. Second, something I've tried to tell you numerous times: Media love storm for Pittsburgh. You may not partake of it and that's good but seriously, everyone loves the Stillers. Being coach of that team puts you above Jesus right off the bat.
Besides, Pitt holds on to their coaches for life. I actually respect the hell out of that, but yeah you really can't be surprised he's still around, he's gunna be for 15 or more years.
As for the Philly QB controversy, Oakland helps Edited by JJLehto - November 04 2013 at 09:07 |
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 08:33 |
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Was really pulling for Houston last night, they showed a lot of heart.
On the local front, I think the QB "controversy" is pretty well put to bed now.
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 08:09 |
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OC wasn't his choice. Haley was brought in to an impossible situation by Art Rooney. The QB wanted to stick in his rut with his crappy buddy Arians and Tomlin, having no control of his QB or desire to ruffle feathers by making the decision that needed to be made, was simply left out of it. I don't believe for a second Tomlin was in any way involved in the hire, despite what ownership claims, so basically what you had with Haley was an coached doomed by a QB that didn't want to work with him and a head coach that resents him being there. The issue is much deeper than Haley. They need to fully clean house.
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Time always wins. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 07:19 |
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Sure he deserves some blame. But I think the biggest part of the blame was his choice of OC. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: November 04 2013 at 07:18 |
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Names? Read off most of your defense. Troy, Taylor, Gay Clark, Timmons. They can't dump these players because they no longer have anyone to dump them for as the result of some poor drafts/player development. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Man With Hat
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Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
Posted: November 03 2013 at 22:49 |
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^ That kicker, man.
Of course, the rest of the team lost a little fire when Kubiak left the arena. Here's hoping he is alright. 
Ditto for John Fox. Intense week for off the field issues. |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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MillsLayne
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Joined: September 14 2010 Location: East Bay, CA Status: Offline Points: 2504 |
Posted: November 03 2013 at 22:47 |
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Apparently, it was for precautionary reasons. Just too bad his team crumbled in the fourth quarter and let the Colts come from three TDs back.
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: November 03 2013 at 21:51 |
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Oh wow, didn't hear about that. Hope he's alright.
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Time always wins. |
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MillsLayne
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Joined: September 14 2010 Location: East Bay, CA Status: Offline Points: 2504 |
Posted: November 03 2013 at 21:43 |
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Hoping the best for both Gary Kubiak and John Fox. Kubiak collapsed during halftime in the Texans/Colts game. He was responsive, but appeared to be in a great deal of pain. He was taken to a local hospital and haven't heard much since.
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: November 03 2013 at 21:28 |
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Why is it that everyone sees Tomlin as above blame? If he has as little responsibility over the players as everyone seems to think he has then he should be fired for doing f**k all more than just picking up a paycheck.
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Time always wins. |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 03 2013 at 21:21 |
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Yeah, pretty shameful to fall that bad to the Buccs buuuuut the NFL is all bout overcoming (only the Pats get it easy
) so give Seattle credit.
I would be a bit worried for the 2nd straight game their stifling defense has allowed a weak offense to hurt em, but a Win is a Win. In fact you really do want some comeback/scrappy wins...proves grit. Anyone can win when it breaks well, but a real winner can overcome.
Also all this talk about coaching, IDK...unless I'm wrong Tomlin is not the one playing defense, or o line.
Blame the GM. It seems like the Stillers and Giants have taken the same road...they have neglected much of their team and increasingly leaving it up to the QB and even in today's NFL they can't do literally everything.
Edited by JJLehto - November 03 2013 at 21:22 |
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MillsLayne
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Joined: September 14 2010 Location: East Bay, CA Status: Offline Points: 2504 |
Posted: November 03 2013 at 20:26 |
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How about the Seahawks come back today? I didn't see either the initial blowout or the comeback happening, but it's a good thing they woke up in the second half. I'd still be concerned about both sides of the ball. They looked awful in the first half.
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 03 2013 at 20:14 |
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Wow, so Case Keenum is kinda good, and has made Andre Johnson relevant again : O Also f**kin JJ Watt...I wish I was 6'5" 300 lbs and an athletic freak of nature. Where do these people come from??
Edited by JJLehto - November 03 2013 at 20:17 |
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Padraic wrote:
). Tomlin was a defensive coach that's missed on defensive draft pick after defensive draft pick and thinks William Gay can play in the NFL despite constant visual evidence to the contrary. If he's involved in talent evaluation he should be fired, if he's involved in team preparation he should be fired, if he's involved in in-game decision making he should be fired, and if he isn't he should be fired.