Donovan: Early Prog or Just Psych? |
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tamijo
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Posted: October 14 2014 at 09:08 |
I got no clue what that Prog thing is or is not, but i love some of the stuf he did.
NB: Funny enough he sings co-lead with Alice Cooper on the album Billion Dollar Babies.
Great track.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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kenethlevine
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Posted: October 14 2014 at 07:51 |
psych pop IMO, very very good psych pop
But I can't comment on his early to mid 1970s work which might have incorporated more prog Edited by kenethlevine - October 14 2014 at 07:52 |
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Friday13th
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Posted: October 14 2014 at 00:20 |
Once again, SteveG surprises us all with his inciteful questioning of artists panned as not prog. Skeptics, he is right on target. I had heard Donovan for his connection with the Beatles and Nick Drake, but as I scrolled through his songs on itunes today, I came across a song titled "Get Thy Bearings." I rushed back to my 4 disc King Crimson box set. Low and behold, King Crimson does live covers of not just Holst's "Mars", but Donovan's "Get Thy Bearings." THEY CALL HIM PROTO-PROOOOOOOG! QUITE RIGHTLY!
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 12:40 |
Not prog at all. I can't think of a proggy Donovan song. Repeating a chorus for several minutes on Atlantis does not prog make.
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Dean
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 00:58 |
Just acid folk and psych pop. Not "early" prog at all as far as I can tell.
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What?
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 21:19 |
I'm going to have to say just psych, with a dash of prog.
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Intruder
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 09:48 |
Donovan wrote outstanding melodies - waaaay better than Dylan in that respect. The words, however, were the trippy aspect of Donovan albums. The arrangements could've been used by the Bee Gees, early John Martyn, Nick Drake or Bill Fay.....very traditional UK folk-oriented.
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 09:01 |
But of course Steve Hillage covered "Hurdy Gurdy Man" on "L" and a more spaced out Prog version of the song is featured on "Live Herald". Progressive rockers have a track record of re-doing old Psychedelic Pop songs. Has anyone ever noticed that? Maybe this is an insignificant point, but then what lies within the interest to do that?
Edited by TODDLER - October 09 2014 at 09:02 |
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someone_else
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 08:31 |
He did indeed, and I attended one of those gigs (Rotterdam, NL, November 1977). His performance was not really appreciated by all those Yes fans, but somehow he seemed a nice guy. His music has little to do with prog as far as I can judge. Remotely proto-prog-related at its best...
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chopper
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 08:25 |
I don't really see him as early prog, mind you he did support Yes on a tour once.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 08:05 |
I never really thought of him as psych or prog though some of his songs certainly had some psych things in them.
I was lucky enough to have seen him play at a local folk club in Indiana about 15 years ago....nice show and we managed to get some autographs and meet him after the show. A very nice man.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 03 2014 at 12:30 |
^Good question. Very rudimentary. Not even proto as, you stated yourself, there is no clear form. Perhaps just avant or just oddball like the 2 minute speach that opens Atlantis to be followed by only a cascading repeating chorus.
Btw, the drummer on Hurdy Gurdy Man was John Bonham before he joined you know who. Just kidding, but it's a great imitation. Edited by SteveG - October 03 2014 at 15:22 |
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 02 2014 at 21:13 |
What do you consider specifically to be early Prog?
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 02 2014 at 20:37 |
I've often thought it to be psychedelic folk rock ....because stylistically if you've noticed....it has that British 70's Rock feel. In some sense...I can hear Ray Davies singing "Sunshine Superman" and "Hurdy Gurdy Man" is reminiscent of The Beatles approach on Magical Mystery Tour. I personally can hear Ringo's snare drum effect on "Hurdy Gurdy". The effect that can be duplicated by placing a bath towel on the snare.and hitting it with a stick..which creates the snare drum sound on "Strawberry Fields" or "Helter Skelter". Donovan has the 60's British Psychedelic Pop sound and so maybe just elements within his songs cross paths with Prog. Not structure though. Only choice of sounds and oddball ideas. It's been too long since I've heard Atlantis and I can't comment. Many of the ideas in 60's British Psychedelic Pop filter through in Prog, but we could always point that detail out in many of the British artists of that decade and not just the usual suspects.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 02 2014 at 17:59 |
Sunshine Superman and Atlantis. Early prog or just psychedelic folk rock?
Edited by SteveG - October 02 2014 at 18:00 |
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