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cstack3 
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 Posted: June 15 2014 at 00:02 |
 Tom Ozric wrote:
Get 'em Out By Friday has some incredible bass lines from Rutherford. Easily up there with Squire as far as complexity goes...... |
Thanks for that! I always thought that Rutherford was at least the equal to, if not superior to, Squire in that era.
Rutherford is a superior overall musician, being very competent on 6 string and 12 string guitars as well as bass guitar.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 14 2014 at 22:31 |
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Have you heard the single version of Watcher Of The Skies? I think I prefer it to the album version. |
No, I didn't even know there was a different version (studio, that is). I do like the live version on Genesis Live a bit better, but not nearly as much as Hackett's version. I even liked the version on Live at the rainbow more than the one on Genesis Live... but the CD copy of Raibow doesn't include that song, only the DVD audio mix includes the whole concert (I got the Live box set, and it seems they didn't want to repeat the songs from Live at the Rainbow that were already included on Genesis Live). |
I stumbled across it on a Genesis compilation CD called Rock Theatre. Its only 3.44 minutes long but basically it dispenses with the long Mellotron intro so turns it into a more of an organ lead track. I think it must have been specially recorded as it includes a fade out that is not on the album so its not just an edit of the album track. What strikes me most about is the bass playing. Very nifty! |
I don't know. To shorten the track to under 4 min, and getting rid of the intro, which is the one part of the original song I actually liked, doesn't sound like a treatment of the song that I would enjoy. I guess I'll just stick with te Hackett / Wetton version that I already got to love. |
I have a compilation album called 'Rock Theatre' - it has a photo of Gabriel in his Slipperman costume on the cover. The short Watcher is a novelty, and Mike's bass is thicker in sound and the fade-out works perfectly. Nothing on the original version though.
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Posted: June 14 2014 at 22:10 |
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I like a lot of Prog, but my tendencies run towards Psychedelic, Canterbury, Italian Prog and jazz fusion. So I've never gotten the appeal of Genesis, Yes, King Crimson. Having said that there are some really awesome songs by all three of those bands that I love.
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Posted: June 06 2014 at 21:18 |
richardh wrote:
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Have you heard the single version of Watcher Of The Skies? I think I prefer it to the album version. |
No, I didn't even know there was a different version (studio, that is). I do like the live version on Genesis Live a bit better, but not nearly as much as Hackett's version. I even liked the version on Live at the rainbow more than the one on Genesis Live... but the CD copy of Raibow doesn't include that song, only the DVD audio mix includes the whole concert (I got the Live box set, and it seems they didn't want to repeat the songs from Live at the Rainbow that were already included on Genesis Live). |
I stumbled across it on a Genesis compilation CD called Rock Theatre. Its only 3.44 minutes long but basically it dispenses with the long Mellotron intro so turns it into a more of an organ lead track. I think it must have been specially recorded as it includes a fade out that is not on the album so its not just an edit of the album track. What strikes me most about is the bass playing. Very nifty! |
I don't know. To shorten the track to under 4 min, and getting rid of the intro, which is the one part of the original song I actually liked, doesn't sound like a treatment of the song that I would enjoy. I guess I'll just stick with te Hackett / Wetton version that I already got to love.
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Posted: June 06 2014 at 12:29 |
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The issue with the studio track is the mellotron's lack of every note being released in a short fade out, or recorded in a place with enough reverb. The overall sound is raw and played too fast. De Montfort Hall, Leicester (Genesis were a childlike hurricane there), on February 25, 1973, has it all fixed, if they ever fixed anything !!
Edited by jayem - June 06 2014 at 12:40
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M27Barney
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Posted: June 06 2014 at 12:15 |
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Well strangely enough I decided to put on an old Genesis compilation CD in the car yesterday (I didn't know what I had burnt on it for the car as I did it yonks ago) - when I was going to pick up son No 2 from work. What track blasted out first.....Watcher of the Skies !!!
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Posted: June 06 2014 at 03:00 |
richardh wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
richardh wrote:
Have you heard the single version of Watcher Of The Skies? I think I prefer it to the album version. |
No, I didn't even know there was a different version (studio, that is). I do like the live version on Genesis Live a bit better, but not nearly as much as Hackett's version. I even liked the version on Live at the rainbow more than the one on Genesis Live... but the CD copy of Raibow doesn't include that song, only the DVD audio mix includes the whole concert (I got the Live box set, and it seems they didn't want to repeat the songs from Live at the Rainbow that were already included on Genesis Live). |
I stumbled across it on a Genesis compilation CD called Rock Theatre. Its only 3.44 minutes long but basically it dispenses with the long Mellotron intro so turns it into a more of an organ lead track. I think it must have been specially recorded as it includes a fade out that is not on the album so its not just an edit of the album track. What strikes me most about is the bass playing. Very nifty!
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It's also on the Archive One box set. There's some nice guitar on the fade out, with Gabriel signing (I think) "on your own, your own".
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Posted: June 06 2014 at 01:52 |
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Get 'em Out By Friday has some incredible bass lines from Rutherford. Easily up there with Squire as far as complexity goes......
Edited by Tom Ozric - June 06 2014 at 01:53
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Posted: June 06 2014 at 01:07 |
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I like how this thread went from Yes to ELP to Genesis 
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just a normal day on PA 
at least the order is correct if you think prog was all about 'Yelesis'
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Posted: June 06 2014 at 01:04 |
Dellinger wrote:
richardh wrote:
Have you heard the single version of Watcher Of The Skies? I think I prefer it to the album version. |
No, I didn't even know there was a different version (studio, that is). I do like the live version on Genesis Live a bit better, but not nearly as much as Hackett's version. I even liked the version on Live at the rainbow more than the one on Genesis Live... but the CD copy of Raibow doesn't include that song, only the DVD audio mix includes the whole concert (I got the Live box set, and it seems they didn't want to repeat the songs from Live at the Rainbow that were already included on Genesis Live). |
I stumbled across it on a Genesis compilation CD called Rock Theatre. Its only 3.44 minutes long but basically it dispenses with the long Mellotron intro so turns it into a more of an organ lead track. I think it must have been specially recorded as it includes a fade out that is not on the album so its not just an edit of the album track. What strikes me most about is the bass playing. Very nifty!
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Posted: June 05 2014 at 21:23 |
richardh wrote:
Have you heard the single version of Watcher Of The Skies? I think I prefer it to the album version. |
No, I didn't even know there was a different version (studio, that is). I do like the live version on Genesis Live a bit better, but not nearly as much as Hackett's version. I even liked the version on Live at the rainbow more than the one on Genesis Live... but the CD copy of Raibow doesn't include that song, only the DVD audio mix includes the whole concert (I got the Live box set, and it seems they didn't want to repeat the songs from Live at the Rainbow that were already included on Genesis Live).
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Posted: June 05 2014 at 17:58 |
I like how this thread went from Yes to ELP to Genesis
How about PFM then?
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Posted: June 05 2014 at 15:28 |
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It makes a perfect opener for the album and the tour. Genesis obviously had a strong sense of what worked in a live setting and Foxtrot was an album that supported that. It works well a bit shorter though and has a killer hook. Its pretty unique.
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M27Barney
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Posted: June 05 2014 at 12:37 |
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The Mellotron / organ intro - didn't Genesis open with this in the Foxtrot tour and afterwards too?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but surely not many fans of symphonic prog would think that Watcher....was a clunker???
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Posted: June 05 2014 at 00:49 |
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Have you heard the single version of Watcher Of The Skies? I think I prefer it to the album version.
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Posted: June 04 2014 at 21:04 |
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Get 'Em Out By Friday is a great track. The clunker on the album for me is actually Watcher of the Skies.Yes is a great band, but they don't make my top 20.
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Yeah, actually I'm not much of a fan of Watcher of the Skies. There's something kind of cold and mechanic about it that just doesn't do it for me. However, strangely enough, when I heard Hackett's version from Tokyo Tapes I really liked it a lot. It's basically the same song, but I guess the warmth of Wetton's voice instead of Gabriel's, plus some less mechanic drums, were all the song needed for me... plus, perhaps the keyboard intro is even more dramatic on this version.
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Posted: June 04 2014 at 07:17 |
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They don't like you, either.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 04 2014 at 06:25 |
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I'm certain that out of the countless bands I listen to that Yes will always hold a place in my 'top 20'. Regardless of how many superb one-shot bands have existed, how many obscure sub-genre albums have appeared, Yes will always be a high-point of my Prog life.
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Posted: June 04 2014 at 05:53 |
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Get 'Em Out By Friday is a great track. The clunker on the album for me is actually Watcher of the Skies.
Yes is a great band, but they don't make my top 20.
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Posted: June 03 2014 at 21:07 |
richardh wrote:
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Benny the Bouncer??? a Chas & Dave track and is completely out of place like a Monk at a Swinger's Party !!! |
Its an old chestnut this but yes you are correct. For whatever reason ELP didn't want to to be seen as deadly serious all the time so they inserted this track presumably to counter the 29 minutes of Karn Evil 9. Keith Emerson liked to hammer out the odd tune on a detuned piano. Its poor and if there was such a thing as 'Directors Cut' it would be edited and replaced with When The Apple Blossom Blooms... which was a truly inventive little jazz rock peice that was recorded at the same sessions. Only made onto the b-side of Jerusalem at the time. Obviously was a commercial decision top help sell the single(failed miserably btw) |
H'm But Genesis, with the equally quirky English - contemporary folkish/Comedic stories of Harold the Barrel and Get' em out by Friday - didn't detract from those Fine Releases and you can include The battle of Epping Forest in that group too....THAT WAS THE WAY TO DO IT!!! |
At least two of those Genesis tracks are prog tracks though |
Actually all the songs on this posts (Benny the Bouncer, Harold the Barrell, Take them Out by Friday, Battle of Epping Forest) are the reasons why I can't consider any of those albums from Genesis and ELP as masterpieces. I really hate them and make me want to skip them and destroy the flow of the albums.
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