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threefates
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:15 |
You can find prog moments in nearly every band out there if you look hard enough.. and sorry but I find a lot more prog moments in Radiohead's The Bends or Hail to the Thief.. than on any Queen album. Queen were glam rock.. ans David Bowie was at one time.... seems pretty simple to me. BTW.. I don't find Radiohead prog either....
Elements of prog... do not a prog band make. Diluting the genre also isn't the politically correct thing to do... IMHO...
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Ruglish
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:02 |
Threefates, Radiohead had one album with touches of prog -- "OK Computer -- while Queen put out at least half a dozen with a bunch of songs that can't be called anything other than prog. Consistency of approach makes them more progressive in my book. Plus, Queen's proggiest albums -- Queen II and Innuendo -- are more complex and more intricate than OK Computer in their own right.
All IMHO, of course.
As for labeling bands I like prog -- I like Zeppelin, for example, or Metallica, and don't think they're progressive (although certainly they have prog touches -- "Battle of Evermore" wouldn't be out of place on a Yes or -- dare I say?:), ELP album, and "And Justice for All" is more progressive than all of Dream Theater's oevre put together).
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threefates
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:56 |
Queen are not a progressive rock band. They may have had some prog related moments.. but thats all there was. For some reason here, we have the need to just make every band we like a prog band... that way it keeps are preferences all within a genre I guess... but claiming it to be does not make it so...
And I'll accept Radiohead eons ahead of Queen... thats just way off the mark.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:50 |
Sorry old chap - it's just that the avatar you've chosen has been used by quite a few in the past, and so seems familiar to me.
Don't take it personally - I'm always like this.
I may be crusty and cynical on the outside, but that's nothing compared to the inside...
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Ruglish
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:50 |
Queen are a sort of unique case -- they've never done a "full-on" prog album, but almost always put several geniunely prog songs on every record. Most of Queen II (esp. the black side), "Brighton Rock" off of Sheer Heart Attack, "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "The Prophet's Song" from A Night at the Opera, "The Millionnaire Waltz" off of A Day at the Races, "Mustafa" and "Bicycle Race" off of Jazz, "Princes of the Universe" off of A Kind of Magic, "Innuendo," "'Bijou," "Hitman" and "All God's People" off of Innuendo. (I haven't listened to their debut album in years, but I remember at least "Jesus" as being pretty interesting). So by the end of their 20-year career, they've made enough world-class prog to fill about 2 albums.
Personally, I think the consistency of approach alone is enough to warrant their inclusion.
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porter
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:19 |
Certif1ed wrote:
porter wrote:
Queen was definitely a POP BAND.
Wrong. They were definitely a POPULAR band, later in their career.
But they did have elements of prog in their music. I just don't think of Bo Rap as an "ordinary" pop song, nor "Innuendo", nor many other songs in their catalog (I know Queen VERY WELL). Anyway, they' re not "straight prog".
And who is? Just about every "classic" prog band produced some non prog. Are we talking ratios? (This is a trap).
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hey don't kill me!!! I'm a newbie!!!
just kidding...you're right, it's just that I can't consider them as a prog band, I don't know why...they have something that doesn't fit the term "prog"...
just to be clear: I LOVE QUEEN....
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porter
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:16 |
mmm, ok you're right. But since I have some difficulties considering art rock as a prog rock "sub genre" (see RUSH for example) I have some difficulties to consider Queen as a prog band, too.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:15 |
porter wrote:
Queen was definitely a POP BAND.
Wrong. They were definitely a POPULAR band, later in their career.
But they did have elements of prog in their music. I just don't think of Bo Rap as an "ordinary" pop song, nor "Innuendo", nor many other songs in their catalog (I know Queen VERY WELL). Anyway, they' re not "straight prog".
And who is? Just about every "classic" prog band produced some non prog. Are we talking ratios? (This is a trap). |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:08 |
porter wrote:
Queen was definitely a POP BAND. But they did have elements of prog in their music. I just don't think of Bo Rap as an "ordinary" pop song, nor "Innuendo", nor many other songs in their catalog (I know Queen VERY WELL). Anyway, they' re not "straight prog".
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I don't know what you mean by "straight prog". They are listed under Art Rock, which in itself is already implying that these bands are not as progressive as the Symphonic Prog Rock bands.
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porter
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:06 |
Queen was definitely a POP BAND. But they did have elements of prog in their music. I just don't think of Bo Rap as an "ordinary" pop song, nor "Innuendo", nor many other songs in their catalog (I know Queen VERY WELL). Anyway, they' re not "straight prog".
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The Miracle
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:22 |
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:22 |
oh this again. suck it up Queen is here to stay. oh well.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:20 |
Good reasoning:
I don't think Queen are prog, therefore they're not.
Deep.
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:01 |
Those opposed to Queen: what is your definition of Art Rock?
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Blog this:
http://artrock2006.blogspot.com
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Wolf Spider
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:59 |
Now you`re talking.
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frenchie
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:52 |
good call!
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Gedhead
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:51 |
Okay, I have done due my diligence and gone back and listened to just
about every song on every album and I simply cannot come away thinking
of Queen as progressive rock. They are pop (and I mean pop) rock
with a twist. They are not a progressive rock band.
They were a great band but they are not progressive rock and they
should be taken off this site. IMO.
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