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Posted: February 25 2014 at 12:16
As a figure of speech professional and professionalism means doing things with confidence and skill, I fail to see what all the fuss is about. (and that's saying something coming from me)
Anyway, this lot are in Prog Related, (who knows why), so it's close enough:
Joined: October 09 2005
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 08:40
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Horizons wrote:
I still don't understand how that changes his level of professionalism.
It doesn't. There were guys before Guy who could chop more proficiently than Guy. He can do better. He still has more room. Just because you have a few classy drum fills up your sleeve, that doesn't automatically make you a pro.
Horizons wrote:
Does that mean Ringo Star is barely professional because so many drummers posses better technical skill?
Give me one performance where Ringo chopped proficiently.
Horizons wrote:
Guy does a great job on Arrow, and in VdGG in general.
On "Arrow", "Killer", ... yes, but most of the time it sounds to me as if he is just there for rhythm back-up.
I'm not sure you understand what a "professional" is. It's not their technical ability, it's getting paid to do it for a living. As far as I'm aware, VdGG were professionals during the mid 70's.
Joined: July 13 2005
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 07:19
Cactus Choir wrote:
chopper wrote:
Cactus Choir wrote:
Dance with the Devil by Cozy Powell has a great intro (later lifted by Boney M for Rasputin!), though I suppose the whole track is basically a drums showcase.
Apart from the bit nicked from Hendrix.
Yes, Third Stone from the Sun! Wonder how they managed to get away with that and not credit it.
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 06:59
chopper wrote:
Cactus Choir wrote:
Dance with the Devil by Cozy Powell has a great intro (later lifted by Boney M for Rasputin!), though I suppose the whole track is basically a drums showcase.
Apart from the bit nicked from Hendrix.
Yes, Third Stone from the Sun! Wonder how they managed to get away with that and not credit it.
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
Joined: July 13 2005
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 06:25
Cactus Choir wrote:
Dance with the Devil by Cozy Powell has a great intro (later lifted by Boney M for Rasputin!), though I suppose the whole track is basically a drums showcase.
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 06:24
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Give me one performance where Ringo chopped proficiently.
I have been in a lot of bands that have attempted to play "Get Back" - I've yet to find a drummer who could play it in the same way as Ringo - it sounds simple but getting the right feel to it is deceptively difficult.
I will just quote a well-known quite reasonable prog drummer - Mr Phil Collins.
"Phil Collins, who was himself influenced by Starr, said; “Ringo is vastly underrated. The drum fills on the song "A Day in the Life" are very complex things. You could take a great drummer today and say, 'I want it like that.' He wouldn't know what to do.”
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 06:19
Blacksword wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Semi-professional drumming? What?
Come on ... compare him to Bill ... or Billy Cobham ... or Buddy Rich.
All 'professional' means is that one earns money from what one does. It's not a measure of actual skill or quality. Insticntly you may think it does, but....it doesn't.
that i exactly what i was about to say,, as redicules it might seem, You could be Bill Bruford an play like virtoustc god but without a paycheck , your an amatour, or you could be as technical as a tree trunk and earn monwy , aka professional.
Joined: July 26 2008
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 06:06
Blacksword wrote:
All 'professional' means is that one earns money from what one does. It's not a measure of actual skill or quality. Insticntly you may think it does, but....it doesn't.
Absolutely. Tracey Emin and Damien Hirst are "professional" artists. Sorry, just couldn't resist that cheap shot.
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 05:20
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Semi-professional drumming? What?
Come on ... compare him to Bill ... or Billy Cobham ... or Buddy Rich.
All 'professional' means is that one earns money from what one does. It's not a measure of actual skill or quality. Instinctively you may think it is, but in reality....it isn't.
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 03:48
Dance with the Devil by Cozy Powell has a great intro (later lifted by Boney M for Rasputin!), though I suppose the whole track is basically a drums showcase.
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 00:28
Here's a few that nobody will care about.....
The Bogus Man - Paul Thompson, Roxy Music
I Found Love - Greg Elmore, Quicksilver Messenger Service
Feelin' Alright - Richard Coughlan, Caravan
The Only Thing She Needs - Terry Bozzio, UK
also Convenience (Clean and Easy) - John Weathers, Gentle Giant
Manipulation - Danny Seraphine, Chicago
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