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Posted: October 17 2013 at 02:37
Not certain here, but I recall reading something along the lines that for many of the later 60's/early 70's recordings, Bill Wyman played a bass where he removed the frets himself, making him one of the first to play a fretless electric bass ???
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Posted: October 16 2013 at 21:26
dr wu23 wrote:
Beggars and Let It Bleed are 2 of the best things they ever did and should be in every serious rock collection .
Yeah, but even they aren't perfect to me. Beggars has maybe one or two twangy folk tunes too many...another rocker instead of "Dear Doctor" would have made it perfect, and As For Let It Bleed, I can't listen to "country Honk" without wanting to hear the superior "Honky Tonk Woman". Other than that, yeah, great stuff, borderline nasty in a good way at times.
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Posted: October 16 2013 at 19:24
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My fave has always been Get Yer Ya Ya's Out. Mick Taylor is in top form on that - and so is Charlie. I've seen him catch a lot of flack, but I think he was the perfect drummer for The Stones. On this live release he shows why.
I may have to get it on vinyl one of these days. Just feels like a record that needs to be played on the turntable
Fave Stones song today would be Stray Cat Blues.
Brilliant! I love the slowed down version of Stray Cat Blues on Ya Ya's...
"You say you got a friend and she's wilder than you, why don't you bring her upstairs?
If she's so wild then she can join in too!" (insert smiley face with massive Jagger lips here)
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Posted: October 16 2013 at 16:17
Guldbamsen wrote:
My fave has always been Get Yer Ya Ya's Out. Mick Taylor is in top form on that - and so is Charlie. I've seen him catch a lot of flack, but I think he was the perfect drummer for The Stones. On this live release he shows why.
I may have to get it on vinyl one of these days. Just feels like a record that needs to be played on the turntable
Fave Stones song today would be Stray Cat Blues.
My roommate in college was a guitar player (he had a 1970 gold top Les Paul) and literally wore out my copy of Get Yer Ya Ya's Out trying to learn all the licks. Sadly I can't play mine on the turntable anymore since it's so worn...I still play my cd copy though.
Stray Cat Blues has always been one of my favorite lesser known Stones songs.
"It's no hangin' matter, it's no capital criiiiime."
@ 39:50 Jagger says...'" Charlie's good tonight ...ain't he..?
My fave has always been Get Yer Ya Ya's Out. Mick Taylor is in top form on that - and so is Charlie. I've seen him catch a lot of flack, but I think he was the perfect drummer for The Stones. On this live release he shows why.
I may have to get it on vinyl one of these days. Just feels like a record that needs to be played on the turntable
Fave Stones song today would be Stray Cat Blues.
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
Stones' best stuff was absolutely from the beginning until Exile....but I played that stuff 'til I wore holes in the records. I really dug Stripped when it came out 'cause it showed them looking back without, as you said, reaching for that extra buck. I personally can't stand them now....$500 tickets, overly promoted shyte albums ("their best since....well, the last one!"), personalities more than musicians (let's see if we can kick Richards off the wagon).
I get where you're coming from dr. wu, but I still love the Stones....but I wouldn't give a fag end to see them today. I went thru an early singles kick a few years back....great ride. Hungry, tight band with a ton of attitude...and taste. Now I'm on a Goat's Head and Black and Blue kick....can't wait until I get into a Mick Taylor era phase again, but I don't think it'll be for a while.
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Posted: October 16 2013 at 12:20
dr wu23 wrote:
Intruder wrote:
I lived on a heavy diet of Stones music as a kid, went thru phases of listening to their different incarnations, but now when I put the Stones on, which isn't very often, I turn to Aftermath, Goat's Head and Black and Blue more often than not....transitional stuff that shows them working harder than usual, if not as sucessfully on the charts.
I've worn out copies of albums like Exile, Bleed, Banquet, etc. Now I like to settle in with albums that dig deeper.....and I don't overlook Emotional Rescue. Some saw it as a revisiting of the smash Some Girls, but I think it's their last relevant album in that they really succeeded in putting down two sides full of music that was popular at the time. No retro, sitting on their laurels stuff.
I bought their early singles on 45 along with the Beatles, Kinks, Dave Clark 5, etc.....so I go back to the beginning with the Stones. But I think their best work were the early years from 64-75.....after that they seemed to wander into the disco/soul /funk area which never really interested me. There were certainly some good tracks on those lp's you mentioned but it seemed to me that Jagger was trying to reach an even larger audience and wasn't playing what they were best at. The sig tune It's Only Rock and Roll summed up who they were imho and was their last 'great' lp.
I got the 50 yr anniversary box "GRRR" last year and I love that most of the collection is geared to the '64 to '75 songs. Definitely their best work before Keith's serious drug problems and Mick's emergence as the darling of the jet set watered down their musical punch. There's still some great songs in the post '75 era but they're few and far between.
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Posted: October 16 2013 at 10:15
Intruder wrote:
I lived on a heavy diet of Stones music as a kid, went thru phases of listening to their different incarnations, but now when I put the Stones on, which isn't very often, I turn to Aftermath, Goat's Head and Black and Blue more often than not....transitional stuff that shows them working harder than usual, if not as sucessfully on the charts.
I've worn out copies of albums like Exile, Bleed, Banquet, etc. Now I like to settle in with albums that dig deeper.....and I don't overlook Emotional Rescue. Some saw it as a revisiting of the smash Some Girls, but I think it's their last relevant album in that they really succeeded in putting down two sides full of music that was popular at the time. No retro, sitting on their laurels stuff.
I bought their early singles on 45 along with the Beatles, Kinks, Dave Clark 5, etc.....so I go back to the beginning with the Stones. But I think their best work were the early years from 64-75.....after that they seemed to wander into the disco/soul /funk area which never really interested me. There were certainly some good tracks on those lp's you mentioned but it seemed to me that Jagger was trying to reach an even larger audience and wasn't playing what they were best at. The sig tune It's Only Rock and Roll summed up who they were imho and was their last 'great' lp.
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
I lived on a heavy diet of Stones music as a kid, went thru phases of listening to their different incarnations, but now when I put the Stones on, which isn't very often, I turn to Aftermath, Goat's Head and Black and Blue more often than not....transitional stuff that shows them working harder than usual, if not as sucessfully on the charts.
I've worn out copies of albums like Exile, Bleed, Banquet, etc. Now I like to settle in with albums that dig deeper.....and I don't overlook Emotional Rescue. Some saw it as a revisiting of the smash Some Girls, but I think it's their last relevant album in that they really succeeded in putting down two sides full of music that was popular at the time. No retro, sitting on their laurels stuff.
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 23:03
Prog Sothoth wrote:
I always considered them more of a great singles band than an album band to be honest. Some of their B-sides were quite good actually, especially the great "Jumpin' Jack Flash" B-side "Child of the Moon". Pretty much at the very tail end of their psychedelic era, it's a cool compliment to the classic A-side, a single which introduced a grittier sound while still bearing some trippiness.
I do like a couple of their albums, basically Beggars Banquet & Let It Bleed, although there are certainly gems on their other full-lengths. I prefer the US version of Aftermath thanks to the addition of "Paint It Black", although I wish they kept "Mother's Little Helper" in there too. Same with Between The Buttons regarding the US release...more entertaining with a couple of big hits thrown in.
I've never actually listened to much of Exile On Main Street, which many critics seem to adore these days but wasn't highly received upon release. I need to spend time with it someday.
Beggars and Let It Bleed are 2 of the best things they ever did and should be in every serious rock collection .
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 20:51
I always considered them more of a great singles band than an album band to be honest. Some of their B-sides were quite good actually, especially the great "Jumpin' Jack Flash" B-side "Child of the Moon". Pretty much at the very tail end of their psychedelic era, it's a cool compliment to the classic A-side, a single which introduced a grittier sound while still bearing some trippiness.
I do like a couple of their albums, basically Beggars Banquet & Let It Bleed, although there are certainly gems on their other full-lengths. I prefer the US version of Aftermath thanks to the addition of "Paint It Black", although I wish they kept "Mother's Little Helper" in there too. Same with Between The Buttons regarding the US release...more entertaining with a couple of big hits thrown in.
I've never actually listened to much of Exile On Main Street, which many critics seem to adore these days but wasn't highly received upon release. I need to spend time with it someday.
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 20:17
Tom Ozric wrote:
I can't understand how one can not like something by The Stones - I definitely prefer them to many greats (Led Zepp, Beatles etc.) Probably the greatest straight-ahead Rock band in existence.
Amen.......though I wouldn't say they were better than the Beatles or Zep.....just different.
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 19:16
^ Well said TODDLER.
The Beatles were always my #1 but I loved the Stones too. Something else people forget about the late 60's, when the Beatles were singing about "Revolution" and the Stones were glorifying the "Street Fighting Man", there was a palpable feeling that revolution and anarchy could be right around the corner and that the Stones could just be the ones able to incite the worlds youth to rise up. These were times where a campus protest against the Viet Nam war lead to a student being murdered by the National Guard at Kent State. 1967 may have been the "summer of love", but 1968 dawned dark and the Stones were at the forefront. The Watts riots, assassinations of MLK and Robert Kennedy, Manson family, Zodiak killer, everything was falling apart at the seems. Riots at Stones concerts were commonplace and this of course culminated in Altamont where the demons were hired as security guards and all hell literally broke loose. Jagger particularly seemed to revel in his power to incite riots and chaos. John Lennon may have claimed the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus" but "Sympathy for the Devil" seemed to be Mick's statement of where his allegiance truly lay. At the conclusion of the Stones performance at the "Rock and Roll Circus TV special", Jagger tears his shirt off to reveal a Satan artwork on his chest. People really wondered if he was the second coming of the fallen angel. Then as the 70's wore on, the Stones became a bloated parody of their 60's selves as Keith drowned in a sea of drug addiction and Mick became the darling of the jet set class.
But there was a time when the Stones really seemed to be the living embodiment of all that was dark and evil in the chaotic swirl of the late 60's world.
Being as old as I am.....I must stress the point of their image and sound in the 60's. As played into the media, the Stones were labeled the "bad guys" and The Beatles were the "Good guys"...but it runs deeper. The Stones felt dark and they looked dark on photo shots of early album covers. December's Children, Aftermath, Between the Buttons, 12 x 5 were all signs between 65' and 69' of gloomy/dark rockers disturbing the presentation of that hokey forced Rock star smile/grin on practically ever album cover in Rock n' Roll. The Stones developed a mentality which had a darker approach and it invaded Rock n' Roll in America.
Keith Richards used inverted chord voicings in many of the Rock songs he wrote. He used that formula in a different way..as we all must assume that these types of chord voicings had been previously applied in Motown, Soul, Blues, and even Jazz. George Harrison was producing lead guitar solos stylistically based off Country & Western music and Rockabilly...while Keith Richards discovered a way to place inverted chords in Rock music and opening up the sound of those chord voicings more than others had done in the past. A good example would be the intro to "19TH Nervous Breakdown. There was a dosage of Chuck Berry in everything he wrote on electric guitar, but yet..Richards created a sound that opened up the music a bit more. This is more evident than ever on "Brown Sugar"
Brian Jones colored their music and he was multi-talented. He wasn't a writer..but an idea person. "Ruby Tuesday", "Lady Jane", "2000 Light Years From Home" included on a long list of other songs he was responsible for their uniqueness in texture. Mick Jagger , I felt had some nerve attempting to sing a Sgt. Pepper style ballad when clearly his voice was not up to par in most cases. He had this distinctive sound that replaced his lack of dimension in being a vocalist and many people in 65' simply didn't notice he lacked in diversity of things like range, pitch, vibrato sustain control and so on...As a band..they were adequate on their instruments and so to create a full and more impressive sound they hired fine "Boogie Woogie' style piano players, horns, and female back up vocalists. In reality , it didn't matter much to a mass of people how diverse they were on instruments because of how their image prevailed in the Rock music industry. That's why a great amount of people in the world cannot conceive what is actually good about them. Try explaining the times we were living in, how the Stones were actually unique then, ask them to dismiss their media hype and just listen to their music ..but it's too condescending for them.
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 05:51
Never was a Stones fan although I must admit that it is pleasant to hear some of their older material from time to time however their music is not something that I will try to absorb and ponder for any length of time. Paint It Black, Jumping Jack Flash, Under My Thumb, Satisfaction, Ruby Tuesday, Angie, etc etc - there is a wealth of music in their portfolio that I really don't mind hearing now and then and will seek out at times in the same way that I love CCR when I happen to hear it on the airwaves.
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Posted: October 14 2013 at 00:56
I can't understand how one can not like something by The Stones - I definitely prefer them to many greats (Led Zepp, Beatles etc.) Probably the greatest straight-ahead Rock band in existence.
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