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My favourite Prog Metal band is Pain Of Salvation so I feel compelled to say that they are the fathers, grandfathers, great grandfathers, great great grandfathers, great great great grandfathers, creators, inventors, progenitors, begetters, leaders, paterfamilias, owners, pwners, governors, heirs, chieftains, lords, kings, emperors, major domos, chamberlains, custodians, guardians, elders, proctors, stewards, sensi, protectors, defenders and mothers of Prog Metal for no logical reason what-so-ever other than I prefer them to Dream Thicket.
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Also. If one were to have heard the latest DT effort I think most can and would agree that DT have emerged very nicely from their very early works. In the last 14 years Dream Theater have not dramatically altered their approach to creating quality progressive metal, but I think sometimes you just have to stick with what you are good at and tweak it a bit here and there for posterity and variety's sake. I think DT have done very well in this regard. :)

21st century Prog metal heros and benchmark setters? DT get my vote.
They could be the.....oh yes I am gonna say it Dean....the fathers of 21st century Prog metal. ;) (not the true definition of father I know. ;)
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Points: 7849 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 09:32
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:



Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?

Symphonic Prog project (with goth metal elements) surely? Stern Smile

lol, Via Obscura is Goth Metal.
I suggested them for Symphonic Prog because they have symph rock elements, but at the first place because PM Team don't accept Goth Metal; then Via Obscura were directed to their new home in Symphonic Prog section and auf Wiedersehen!



Why thank you. And 'yes' I have heard of VIa Obscura. Not one of my favourites, but the Piano in this song is very lovely.
I think if you really like obscura, then the French duo choir from the band ARTESIA you are gonna love.
Check out the album Hilvern. You will be moved. :)

Anyway. I gotta say like I did earlier that if the tenure of prog-metal did in fact start in the early 90's I would Agree with you about DT being the fathers of the genre. :)
They certainly revolutionized the genre big time. I mean you look at what was being done in the 80's with Prog metal and then jump to just the early 90's we can hear some major emergence. The 1992 album I&W's is such an incredibly important album for Prog metal....and for Prog music in general. :) but it did not start there. ;)
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?
Symphonic Prog project (with goth metal elements) surely? Stern Smile

lol, Via Obscura is Goth Metal.

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I suggested them for Symphonic Prog because they have symph rock elements, but at the first place because PM Team don't accept Goth Metal; then Via Obscura was directed to the home in Symphonic Pprog section and auf Wiedersehen!
Of course they are Gothic Metal
 
(no contraction of Gothic to Goth please - a Goth was a member of an East Germanic tribe and more recently a member of a Western subculture, Gothic is a style that is applied to everything from architecture to music).
 
If the Symphonic Prog team believed this to be Symphonic Prog then I'll not argue with them, but I will reserve the right to say:
 
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
 
well done Svetonio, nicely played.
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?
Symphonic Prog project (with goth metal elements) surely? Stern Smile

lol, Via Obscura is Goth Metal.



I suggested them for Symphonic Prog because they have symph rock elements, but at the first place because PM Team don't accept Goth Metal; then Via Obscura were directed to their new home in Symphonic Prog section and auf Wiedersehen!


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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 07:58
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Where is Jeff Wagner when we need him?! AngryDisapprove


He works on Peter Steele biography: http://jeffwagnerwriter.com/about<span style="line-height: 1.2;"> </span>


Dude I love Peter Steele. Oh will we could say that Peter Steele was a father of Goth Metal. For sure.

I miss that guy a lot. Type O Negative was a fantastic band.

I agree, Peter Steele was the great artist who really deserved that book. 



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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Where is Jeff Wagner when we need him?! AngryDisapprove


He works on Peter Steele biography: http://jeffwagnerwriter.com/about<span style="line-height: 1.2;"> </span>


Dude I love Peter Steele. Oh will we could say that Peter Steele was a father of Goth Metal. For sure.

I miss that guy a lot. Type O Negative was a fantastic band.
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Points: 7849 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2013 at 22:55
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^^ wow--   what a sad and moving cartoon

That's what I thought when I first saw it. It's a genuine graduation speech by a girl called Erica Goldson, the cartoonist just put pictures to the words. I felt it was a nice retort to '<SPAN =st>Repetitio est mater studiorum', (repetition is the mother of learning) and less insulting than the usual Einstein quote on repetition.</SPAN>


Brilliant, but repetition can be painful as well.

Let's take a look at 'billy butthead' for instance.

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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Where is Jeff Wagner when we need him?! AngryDisapprove
He works on Peter Steele biography: http://jeffwagnerwriter.com/about 
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2013 at 18:13
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I think I mentioned this before but a question for all you DT, Iron Maiden,  and Rush fans ........has anyone read an interview with any of these bands and what are their opinions about their influences and who they consider to be the 'fathers of prog metal'..?

Are you mean 'the origins'? Not so hard question!
No...;my question for prog metal fans is whether or not they have read any interviews with the big names in prog metal: DT, Rush, Iron Maiden, etc and what these actual musicians think about the fathers or origins of prog metal.
I think we are all quite aware of what it says on the Prog Archives web pages.
This is an interview where John Petrucci has spoken of the influences around him as a 12-yrs old begginer guitarist http://www.sonicstate.com/amped/2011/10/18/video-john-petrucci-talks-about-his-guitar-influences/
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Great cartoon! I love the literal buildings separated by a conveyor.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2013 at 17:58
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^^ wow--   what a sad and moving cartoon

That's what I thought when I first saw it. It's a genuine graduation speech by a girl called Erica Goldson, the cartoonist just put pictures to the words. I felt it was a nice retort to 'Repetitio est mater studiorum', (repetition is the mother of learning) and less insulting than the usual Einstein quote on repetition.
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 ^^ wow--   what a sad and moving cartoon
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I think I mentioned this before but a question for all you DT, Iron Maiden,  and Rush fans ........has anyone read an interview with any of these bands and what are their opinions about their influences and who they consider to be the 'fathers of prog metal'..?

Are you mean 'the origins'? Not so hard question!
No...;my question for prog metal fans is whether or not they have read any interviews with the big names in prog metal: DT, Rush, Iron Maiden, etc and what these actual musicians think about the fathers or origins of prog metal.
I think we are all quite aware of what it says on the Prog Archives web pages.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

123. ERICA GOLDSON: Graduation speech
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Are you on commission from YouTube?

You've posted Metropolis Part 1 twice now - we know what if fCensoredking sounds like, and if we didn't we are fCensoredking smart enough to go find it ourselves on fCensoredking You-fCensoredking-Tube. But and However. We're fCensoredking Prog fans - we know these fCensoredking songs forwards, backwards, sideways and fCensoredking-inside-fCensoredking-out.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I'm not sure I even know what Prog Metal is anymore.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I think I mentioned this before but a question for all you DT, Iron Maiden,  and Rush fans ........has anyone read an interview with any of these bands and what are their opinions about their influences and who they consider to be the 'fathers of prog metal'..?

Are you mean 'the origins'? Not so hard question!
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