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rushfan4 
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 Posted: July 18 2012 at 09:14 |
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The Outsiders was a really good movie from his early days that he played a smaller role in. The cast of that movie was quite the who's who of who was going to become big movie stars before they were. What is funny is that C. Thomas Howell was the lead actor in that movie and he really didn't go on to do much else afterwards. Other actors included Patrick Swayze, Emilio Estevez, Matt Dillon, Rob Lowe, Ralph Macchio (The Karate Kid), Leif Garrett, Diane Lane, and some guy named Tom Waits.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 07:54 |
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The 1958 film(which was in Technicolor) is legendary and was a milestone for special effects,for which it won an Academy Award.You can watch the film today and still be amazed at what they were able to achieve at that time |
I've no doubt the film was good for its time; all I'm saying is I much prefer the remake, nothing to do with the CGI (good as they were), but the sustained air of menace throughout & Cruise's everyman-father-character.
There's a lot implied, rather than seen, as well: another director may have shown the passenger aircraft crash, but in this, we only see the wreckage; the same director may have shown a huge CGI generated battle, but here we only see the military disappear over the hill & are left to imagine the carnage. Considering the possibilities for large set-pieces in the remake, I think it was directed with remarkable restraint, concentrating more on the story than the effects (are you listening, whoever directed '2012'?  ). |
How about the chilling part where the train rattles past on fire?
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 07:41 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
The 1958 film(which was in Technicolor) is legendary and was a milestone for special effects,for which it won an Academy Award.You can watch the film today and still be amazed at what they were able to achieve at that time |
I've no doubt the film was good for its time; all I'm saying is I much prefer the remake, nothing to do with the CGI (good as they were), but the sustained air of menace throughout & Cruise's everyman-father-character.
There's a lot implied, rather than seen, as well: another director may have shown the passenger aircraft crash, but in this, we only see the wreckage; the same director may have shown a huge CGI generated battle, but here we only see the military disappear over the hill & are left to imagine the carnage. Considering the possibilities for large set-pieces in the remake, I think it was directed with remarkable restraint, concentrating more on the story than the effects (are you listening, whoever directed '2012'? ).
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 07:20 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
The 1958 film(which was in Technicolor) is legendary and was a milestone for special effects,for which it won an Academy Award.You can watch the film today and still be amazed at what they were able to achieve at that time.
While Cruise's movie might be flashy with all the CGI and so on,in my opinion it is sub par compared to the 1958 version(which was considered important enough to merit inclusion in the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress,which attempts to preserve films that are culturally,historically,or aesthetically significant) |
I never actually said the original was bad. I've seen it many times and like it and regard it with some fondness. The Spielberg version is just far more involving for me personally. What i would actually prefer above all though is a version which is actually like the book set in late 19th century England.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 07:17 |
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Snowie - you can't say that!!!
Everyone knows that if a film is in black & white, made at least 40/50 years ago & poorly acted, no modern re-telling can ever be as good! For Shame! |
Sorry Jim. I forgot the rules. 
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 07:05 |
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While I haven't seen the original War of the Worlds, I'll agree that the remake was pretty lame.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 06:35 |
The 1958 film(which was in Technicolor) is legendary and was a milestone for special effects,for which it won an Academy Award.You can watch the film today and still be amazed at what they were able to achieve at that time.
While Cruise's movie might be flashy with all the CGI and so on,in my opinion it is sub par compared to the 1958 version(which was considered important enough to merit inclusion in the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress,which attempts to preserve films that are culturally,historically,or aesthetically significant)
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 06:26 |
That's it - I knew there was a reason
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 06:25 |
Snowie - you can't say that!!!
Everyone knows that if a film is in black & white, made at least 40/50 years ago & poorly acted, no modern re-telling can ever be as good! For Shame!
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 04:19 |
The T wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
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For this reason I voted for WoTW. |
but it was such a crappy movie |
So inferior to the 50s one... |
That's just silly talk. It's a great film, so much better than the original.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 02:49 |
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to me he was best early in his career; The Color of Money, Rainman, Taps, A Few Good Men
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Taps...hadn't thought about that movie in quite awhile.Never really considered it a Cruise movie because it's such a small part.Good movie though.
Cruise at the end to Hutton while firing the machine gun.... "It's beautiful man....it's f**king beautiful!!!" |
oh yeah his big scene-- he nailed the troubled youth perfectly. I think Color of Money is his best.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 02:47 |
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I'm pretty down on the Hubbard thing myself, seemingly intelligent people(e.g. John Travolta) caught up in a philosophy of common sense they already posses. Bizarre.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 02:30 |
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Makes one wonder why he gets quite so much flak  |
Cause he's a crazy egomaniac? 
Honestly,the whole Scientology thing really turns me off.I just can't understand why anyone would be into a religion founded by a bad sci-fi writer who started the whole thing as a tax dodge.
But that's my personal opinion,and I don't mean to derail a thread about an actor with talk about religion.
Just had to say my piece.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 02:19 |
Forget to comment on Valkyrie... excellent telling of the tale & Cruise (plus, again, a fantastic supporting cast) on great form throughout.
Others, too - Rain Man, Born On The Fourth Of July, Vanilla Sky...
Makes one wonder why he gets quite so much flak
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 01:57 |
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to me he was best early in his career; The Color of Money, Rainman, Taps, A Few Good Men
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Taps...hadn't thought about that movie in quite awhile.Never really considered it a Cruise movie because it's such a small part.Good movie though.
Cruise at the end to Hutton while firing the machine gun....
"It's beautiful man....it's f**king beautiful!!!"
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 23:49 |
The ones I've seen with him are War of the Worlds Tropic Thunder Austin Powers: Goldmember
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 23:42 |
Atavachron wrote:
Flyingsod wrote:
For this reason I voted for WoTW. |
but it was such a crappy movie |
So inferior to the 50s one...
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 23:38 |
Flyingsod wrote:
For this reason I voted for WoTW. |
but it was such a crappy movie
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 22:21 |
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I think he woks best when his character is supposed to be unsympathetic or evil because then he doesn't have to try to convince us he is a good person. His breakdown in that awful Magnolia looks like a parody. I guess he's just not in touch with those kind of human feelings. |
You may be right. I forgot about Magnolia, but I loved that movie, and I think his role in that was kind of a parody of his real-life persona (i.e. an overconfident dick). I always saw it that way, anyway. Almost like the part was made for him.
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I agree with this sentiment totally. He just isnt all that naturally likeable to me. For this reason I voted for WoTW.
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 21:53 |
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to me he was best early in his career; The Color of Money, Rainman, Taps, A Few Good Men
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