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Posted: February 19 2012 at 13:03
rogerthat wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
On the Patton argument, I'm on both sides. Patton is one of the best vocalists ever, but rapping is incredibly easy. Much easier than singing.
Technically? Maybe. But rapping is about enunciation so it is also about doing it convincingly. I don't know if a Maddy Prior would feel very comfortable trying to rap. Versatility is more about expanding one's comfort zone, about executing it with conviction than it is about technicality. Patton achieves it by pasting his trademark insincere, mocking attitude on most if not all the styles he attempts.
And I sort of go with Equality on this, though not exactly. Singing is just a hopeless physical sport for many singers nowadays, fetching whistle notes in the least called for places and attempting the most annoying and incongruous runs and there are many of them who do that, who turn up on X Factor or American Idol and disappear after the season is over. If singing really was about imparting feeling and meaning to the words and connecting with the listener, I would agree that that IS very tough.
I can testify from experience that rapping is easy, but that actually doing it well is ridiculously hard, unless you happen to have a natural talent for it.
One of the things I dislike so much about American Idol and similar shows is that it's impossible to succeed on them unless you have a voice that conforms to the musical mainstream, in that if Peter Gabriel, Geddy Lee, or Peter Hammil were ever to go on the show, they'd get kicked out in no time. They have had people in the past like Adam Lambert who actually were unique and unconventional, but as soon as they leave the show the record companies force them into a box and squash their talent until they have nothing left. Chris Daughtery has such a powerful voice that he could have made some really beautiful and potent music, but instead he just got stuck singing bland pop rock music.
I think he should get together with Mike Portnoy and make a prog metal album
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Posted: February 19 2012 at 09:56
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DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
On the Patton argument, I'm on both sides. Patton is one of the best vocalists ever, but rapping is incredibly easy. Much easier than singing.
That's like saying that flying an airplane is easier than glass blowing.
It's like saying Jazz is easier than classical because you just improvise.
But seriously, it's a silly thing to say, that rapping is easier. It's very easy to sing. I'm doing it right now. It's very easy to rap. Rappity rap rap. Does that mean I just did of those well? No. Not at all. Playing a flute is really easy, you blow through one whole and sound comes out. Does that mean I'm a good flute player? Yeah it does. Flute easy, anyone who play flute not musician, and should be stoned, particularly if they play on one foot (love you Ian).
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Posted: February 19 2012 at 00:09
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
On the Patton argument, I'm on both sides. Patton is one of the best vocalists ever, but rapping is incredibly easy. Much easier than singing.
Technically? Maybe. But rapping is about enunciation so it is also about doing it convincingly. I don't know if a Maddy Prior would feel very comfortable trying to rap. Versatility is more about expanding one's comfort zone, about executing it with conviction than it is about technicality. Patton achieves it by pasting his trademark insincere, mocking attitude on most if not all the styles he attempts.
And I sort of go with Equality on this, though not exactly. Singing is just a hopeless physical sport for many singers nowadays, fetching whistle notes in the least called for places and attempting the most annoying and incongruous runs and there are many of them who do that, who turn up on X Factor or American Idol and disappear after the season is over. If singing really was about imparting feeling and meaning to the words and connecting with the listener, I would agree that that IS very tough.
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Posted: February 18 2012 at 23:58
I just tried that and it works. Thanks.
It's just part of the system that the really obscure bands who need money don't get any of that copyright protection, and the bands like Rush that are drowning in the stuff get videos blocked. But I guess we'd probably never hear any of the underground music without free streaming on the net.
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Posted: February 18 2012 at 23:28
Not Geddy...never watched him live, mind, but at least what I have heard on CD doesn't sound like chest voice. And Cygnus is definitely falsetto. You CAN hit a very full and open throated high note in head voice which might seem like it's off the chest. Bruce Dickinson hits D5 on Hallowed Be Thy Name, for example. Opera singers can do that or rather have to, for instance, because they have to sing without amplification in a fairly large theater.
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Posted: February 18 2012 at 23:23
I think Geddy Lee can hit an F5 in chest voice; he does it in some of his recent live performances of Freewill (most notably on Snakes and Arrows Live). At least I think it's chest voice; I'm no vocal expert so it could be a different technique.
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Posted: February 18 2012 at 23:16
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
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rogerthat wrote:
Annie Haslam and Mariah Carey can both sing in the sixth octave and in fact, Carey can hit notes in the seventh.
Wow, I didn't know that.
That's awesome.
I can get up to an A5 (and I'm a guy) but I don't think you ever want to hear it
That's impressive, especially if you are in fact hitting it in head voice. Well, I am not sure I really want to hear Mariah's F#7s , come to think of it, but she's going to hit them anyway.
You mean chest voice? I actually just go into falsetto and reach up as high as I possibly can. This usually results in people either laughing at me or begging me to stop before their eardrums pop
No, I do mean head voice. Or, THAT note Geoff Tate hits on Take Hold of the Flame, that's head. LaBrie's F5 - I think - in Learning to Live, again head voice. In falsetto, it is easier though not everyone can hit A5 in even falsetto. I don't think I have ever heard anyone hit A5 in chest voice and don't know if it is even possible.
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Posted: February 18 2012 at 23:12
rogerthat wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Annie Haslam and Mariah Carey can both sing in the sixth octave and in fact, Carey can hit notes in the seventh.
Wow, I didn't know that.
That's awesome.
I can get up to an A5 (and I'm a guy) but I don't think you ever want to hear it
That's impressive, especially if you are in fact hitting it in head voice. Well, I am not sure I really want to hear Mariah's F#7s , come to think of it, but she's going to hit them anyway.
You mean chest voice? I actually just go into falsetto and reach up as high as I possibly can. This usually results in people either laughing at me or begging me to stop before their eardrums pop
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Posted: February 18 2012 at 22:33
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Annie Haslam and Mariah Carey can both sing in the sixth octave and in fact, Carey can hit notes in the seventh.
Wow, I didn't know that.
That's awesome.
I can get up to an A5 (and I'm a guy) but I don't think you ever want to hear it
That's impressive, especially if you are in fact hitting it in head voice. Well, I am not sure I really want to hear Mariah's F#7s , come to think of it, but she's going to hit them anyway.
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