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Posted: December 12 2011 at 14:37
I guess my feelings on this discussion are if one singer sings 9 of the 10 songs on an album and another person sings one song an album and backing vocals on the rest of the album, the first person is the lead vocalist and the second is a backing vocalist (who occasionally takes lead). I had assumed that was what the intention of this poll was.
Hackett did do backing vocals. On his own solo albums (the first four, before he decided to sing lead on his albums). The two I might agree shouldn't be here are Glenn Hughes, because he is primarily a lead vocalist who was relegated to backing vocals in Deep Purple and Bill Ward, because Sabbath really didn't have a lot of backing vocals.
But then, it isn't my poll.
Edited by The Doctor - December 12 2011 at 14:55
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 14:02
lazland wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
Peter Townshend was actually a better singer than Roger Daltrey in the Who, so I'll vote for him.
I love Pete's voice, but, again, he was not a backing vocalist in the sense I understand the phrase. It would be more accurate to describe The Who as consisting of Daltry as lead vocalist and frontman, with Townshend as co vocalist and guitarist and general genius.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 14:01
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Peter Townshend was actually a better singer than Roger Daltrey in the Who, so I'll vote for him.
I love Pete's voice, but, again, he was not a backing vocalist in the sense I understand the phrase. It would be more accurate to describe The Who as consisting of Daltry as lead vocalist and frontman, with Townshend as co vocalist and guitarist and general genius.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:59
lazland wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Did Bill Ward do backing vocals. Are there Black Sabbath backing vocals? I'm not being funny,I just can't place them at the moment.
Hard Road. For humble example...
Yep, you are quite right. I forgot about that, the only time that all four members of the band (in any incarnation) made a vocal contribution. Again, though, this hardly qualifies Ward being described as a backing vocalist does it?
Yes, I think this only one case just qualifies Ward for inclusion to the poll.
By the way, he's bloody good singer, I'm disappointed he has only few chances to sing - either in Sabbath or in his solo albums.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:55
Snow Dog wrote:
lazland wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
lazland wrote:
^ No, not really. Neither of them are what I would describe as backing vocalists.
Without being rude, dear chap, you surely must realise by now it is this series of quite basic errors in your polls that annoy people? Why don't you think a little more carefully before you create them? We would rather have fewer polls that make some sense than a pile of nonsense.
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Look Gandalff, I don't mean to have a go at you. You are obviously knowledgeable about the genre. All we ask is a little bit of thought before you post these polls.
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Edited by lazland - December 12 2011 at 13:56
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:52
lazland wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
lazland wrote:
^ No, not really. Neither of them are what I would describe as backing vocalists.
Without being rude, dear chap, you surely must realise by now it is this series of quite basic errors in your polls that annoy people? Why don't you think a little more carefully before you create them? We would rather have fewer polls that make some sense than a pile of nonsense.
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Look Gandalff, I don't mean to have a go at you. You are obviously knowledgeable about the genre. All we ask is a little bit of thought before you post these polls.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:50
Gandalff wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Did Bill Ward do backing vocals. Are there Black Sabbath backing vocals? I'm not being funny,I just can't place them at the moment.
Hard Road. For humble example...
Yep, you are quite right. I forgot about that, the only time that all four members of the band (in any incarnation) made a vocal contribution. Again, though, this hardly qualifies Ward being described as a backing vocalist does it?
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:48
Gandalff wrote:
lazland wrote:
^ No, not really. Neither of them are what I would describe as backing vocalists.
Without being rude, dear chap, you surely must realise by now it is this series of quite basic errors in your polls that annoy people? Why don't you think a little more carefully before you create them? We would rather have fewer polls that make some sense than a pile of nonsense.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:47
Snow Dog wrote:
Did Bill Ward do backing vocals. Are there Black Sabbath backing vocals? I'm not being funny,I just can't place them at the moment.
Hard Road. For humble example...
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:46
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Did Bill Ward do backing vocals. Are there Black Sabbath backing vocals? I'm not being funny,I just can't place them at the moment.
I remember seeing a Ward interview years ago, in which he said that if he ever sang on a Sabbath album, then the devil would take them all to hell a damn sight faster than would otherwise be the case! I have every Sabbath album, and I struggle to think of any such instance, although, as ever, I am happy to be corrected.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:45
lazland wrote:
^ No, not really. Neither of them are what I would describe as backing vocalists.
Without being rude, dear chap, you surely must realise by now it is this series of quite basic errors in your polls that annoy people? Why don't you think a little more carefully before you create them? We would rather have fewer polls that make some sense than a pile of nonsense.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:44
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To be honest I was being over critical on the Brian May thing. I just don't consider him a backing vocalist in this polls context. Whcich I thought was saying "Lead vocals from someone who doesn't normally sing lead vocals"
Maybe so - I didn't comment on the Brian May post for that very reason, but this doesn't detract from the basic point here, which is the proliferation of inaccuracies in these endless polls.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:42
To be honest I was being over critical on the Brian May thing. I just don't consider him a backing vocalist in this polls context. Whcich I thought was saying "Lead vocals from someone who doesn't normally sing lead vocals"
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:37
^ No, not really. Neither of them are what I would describe as backing vocalists.
Without being rude, dear chap, you surely must realise by now it is this series of quite basic errors in your polls that annoy people? Why don't you think a little more carefully before you create them? We would rather have fewer polls that make some sense than a pile of nonsense.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:33
lazland wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
And Is Steve Hackett a backing vocalist? Where?
Ian, I think he did some vocal contributions on Lamb & Wind & Wuthering, although I am quite happy to be corrected. But, in the context of your question, no he isn't. He did, I think, add some vocal textures on the aforementioned albums, but could never be described as a backing vocalist in the context of what you & I understand to mean by a backing vocalist. Accuracy, though, has never been a particular strong point in these polls
He developed a singing voice as his solo career developed, and I like it, BTW.
I was hard thinking of any genesis backing vocals. But now you mention it I seem to remember something vocalish sometimes. I like his singing too and it saves him having to hire a singer all the time.
Well, Steve Hackett was replaced by Tony Banks. And he's undoubtedly backing vocalist in Genesis and lead vocalist in his solo albums (and his voice is pretty good):
Hackett was not replaced by Banks - what is that statement supposed to mean?
And, for your information, Banks primarily sang on The fugitive, an album I quite enjoy, but not, by any means, and by Banks' admission himself, a vocal triumph. On other solo albums, he drafted in guests such as Fish, Jackson et al.
OK, you're right. But he fits to this poll better than his colleague Hackett, alright?
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:26
Gandalff wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
And Is Steve Hackett a backing vocalist? Where?
Ian, I think he did some vocal contributions on Lamb & Wind & Wuthering, although I am quite happy to be corrected. But, in the context of your question, no he isn't. He did, I think, add some vocal textures on the aforementioned albums, but could never be described as a backing vocalist in the context of what you & I understand to mean by a backing vocalist. Accuracy, though, has never been a particular strong point in these polls
He developed a singing voice as his solo career developed, and I like it, BTW.
I was hard thinking of any genesis backing vocals. But now you mention it I seem to remember something vocalish sometimes. I like his singing too and it saves him having to hire a singer all the time.
Well, Steve Hackett was replaced by Tony Banks. And he's undoubtedly backing vocalist in Genesis and lead vocalist in his solo albums (and his voice is pretty good):
Hackett was not replaced by Banks - what is that statement supposed to mean?
And, for your information, Banks primarily sang on The fugitive, an album I quite enjoy, but not, by any means, and by Banks' admission himself, a vocal triumph. On other solo albums, he drafted in guests such as Fish, Jackson et al.
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 13:17
Snow Dog wrote:
lazland wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
And Is Steve Hackett a backing vocalist? Where?
Ian, I think he did some vocal contributions on Lamb & Wind & Wuthering, although I am quite happy to be corrected. But, in the context of your question, no he isn't. He did, I think, add some vocal textures on the aforementioned albums, but could never be described as a backing vocalist in the context of what you & I understand to mean by a backing vocalist. Accuracy, though, has never been a particular strong point in these polls
He developed a singing voice as his solo career developed, and I like it, BTW.
I was hard thinking of any genesis backing vocals. But now you mention it I seem to remember something vocalish sometimes. I like his singing too and it saves him having to hire a singer all the time.
Well, Steve Hackett was replaced by Tony Banks. And he's undoubtedly backing vocalist in Genesis and lead vocalist in his solo albums (and his voice is pretty good):
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