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progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:04 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
I don't know what your issue is, but you're not remotely likable.
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My issue was with that guy who tried to show a correlation between "avant" metal and "real music fans". At least I'm more likable than that type of person. |
Yes, because if someone does not like your derivative faux-70's symphonic, they are clearly hipsters.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:04 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
I don't know what your issue is, but you're not remotely likable.
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My issue was with that guy who tried to show a correlation between "avant" metal and "real music fans". At least I'm more likable than that type of person. |
You say that his opinion is an indication that English is not his first language, an assertion that is not only a personal attack on him, but is insulting to everybody ESL. Opinions aren't valid because people don't come from the same culture as you? What a disgusting attitude.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:02 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
I don't know what your issue is, but you're not remotely likable.
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My issue was with that guy who tried to show a correlation between "avant" metal and "real music fans". At least I'm more likable than that type of person.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:01 |
WHAT IS GOING ON I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND
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progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 20:01 |
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:57 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Why direct those comments to me? They don't have anything to do with me, or with what I wrote. Try addressing the person who made them.
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I responded to your remark "out on a limb...blah blah". I have already answered on his comments (er, to which you responded, I presume).
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:55 |
rogerthat wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
He said "personally know," I'm going to go out on
a limb and say that such a distinction does not include strangers on a
website.
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He ALSO said KD appeals to people who are genuinely
passionate about music and such a distinction between both bands is
illusory. It's incredibly presumptuous to believe SB would not appeal to
people who genuinely love music just because it's not to one's taste.
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Why direct those comments to me? They don't have anything to do with me, or with what I wrote. Try addressing the person who made them.
King Crimson776 wrote:
Hey don't make fun of that QuestionableScum guy, English ain't his first language ok? ... I hope. |
I don't know what your issue is, but you're not remotely likable.
Edited by Triceratopsoil - July 12 2011 at 19:56
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:54 |
Hey don't make fun of that QuestionableScum guy, English ain't his first language ok? ... I hope.
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:52 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
He said "personally know," I'm going to go out on a limb and say that such a distinction does not include strangers on a website.
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He ALSO said KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about music and such a distinction between both bands is illusory. It's incredibly presumptuous to believe SB would not appeal to people who genuinely love music just because it's not to one's taste.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:47 |
King Crimson776 wrote:
QuestionableScum wrote:
I know more hipsters that like KD, than Spock's Beard... KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about pseudo-intellectual metal (ie wannabe-music majors and Guitar Center employees). People I used to work at, at music stores who are generally indie music fans would appreciate Kayo Dot, but would laugh at Spock's Beard or the Flower Kings I imagine (too much melody and sincerity). |
Fixed.
QuestionableScum wrote:
I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse.
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Cool story, bro. |
Speaking of derp...
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King Crimson776
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 19:45 |
QuestionableScum wrote:
I know more hipsters that like KD, than Spock's Beard... KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about pseudo-intellectual metal (ie wannabe-music majors and Guitar Center employees). People I used to work at, at music stores who are generally indie music fans would appreciate Kayo Dot, but would laugh at Spock's Beard or the Flower Kings I imagine (too much melody and sincerity). |
Fixed.
QuestionableScum wrote:
I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse.
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Cool story, bro.
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avantgrind
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Joined: June 29 2011
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 16:23 |
Polo wrote:
darkshade wrote:
The noise that guy is making... I'm sorry... growls, are horrible
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You can't denigrate anyone's voice if you like Dream Theater. |
haha
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 11:54 |
rogerthat wrote:
QuestionableScum wrote:
I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse. |
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Man on this very website considers Neal Morse the greatest songwriter
ever last I heard (not that I personally do) and I wouldn't question his
passion for music (referring to the earlier para which I haven't quoted
here). Rob, he of the Epignosis fame, is also a SB/Morse fan as far as
I know. So I am inclined to disagree with you.
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He said "personally know," I'm going to go out on a limb and say that such a distinction does not include strangers on a website.
Edited by Triceratopsoil - July 12 2011 at 20:07
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 11:54 |
Did someone call DT mainstream
I dunno about that, I put it on the sound system and the younguns in the house run for the hills - lol
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 10:58 |
QuestionableScum wrote:
I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse. |
J Man on this very website considers Neal Morse the greatest songwriter ever last I heard (not that I personally do) and I wouldn't question his passion for music (referring to the earlier para which I haven't quoted here). Rob, he of the Epignosis fame, is also a SB/Morse fan as far as I know. So I am inclined to disagree with you. He he, I don't know what it is that makes some avant gardists distrust melody so much.
QuestionableScum wrote:
Either way, as a youngun of 23 years, who only likes PT and Anathema of the bands mentioned in the OP, and generally listens to more abstract noncommercial prog I can use myself as a counter to this ludicrous thread.
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Fair enough and agreed that the premise is indeed ludicrous.
Edited by rogerthat - July 12 2011 at 10:58
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QuestionableScum
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Location: Edmonton
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 10:49 |
rogerthat wrote:
QuestionableScum wrote:
The divide between the more pop minded prog fan, and the more avant minded prog fan has nothing to do with age. It is just a divide in preference.
Camel, Yes and Genesis were always very pop minded.
Furthermore, I know far more music fans who listen to Kayo Dot, than listen to Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, or Neal Morse.
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That surely reflects your company, really, because Spocks Beard must have more fans than KD, I'd assume. A section of metalheads are into Maudlin of the Well but I am not so sure about KD.
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Perhaps to some degree. But my point by saying I know more music fans that like KD, than Spock's Beard, was to suggest that KD appeals to people who are genuinely passionate about music in general (ie music nerds). People I used to work at, at music stores who are generally indie music fans would appreciate Kayo Dot, but would laugh at Spock's Beard or the Flower Kings I imagine. I actually do not personally know anyone who likes Spock's Beard. Transatlantic or Neal Morse. Either way, as a youngun of 23 years, who only likes PT and Anathema of the bands mentioned in the OP, and generally listens to more abstract noncommercial prog I can use myself as a counter to this ludicrous thread.
Edited by QuestionableScum - July 12 2011 at 10:53
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 10:44 |
QuestionableScum wrote:
The divide between the more pop minded prog fan, and the more avant minded prog fan has nothing to do with age. It is just a divide in preference.
Camel, Yes and Genesis were always very pop minded.
Furthermore, I know far more music fans who listen to Kayo Dot, than listen to Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, or Neal Morse.
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That surely reflects your company, really, because Spocks Beard must have more fans than KD, I'd assume. A section of metalheads are into Maudlin of the Well but I am not so sure about KD.
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QuestionableScum
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 10:41 |
The divide between the more pop minded prog fan, and the more avant minded prog fan has nothing to do with age. It is just a divide in preference.
Camel, Yes and Genesis were always very pop minded.
Furthermore, I know far more music fans who listen to Kayo Dot, than listen to Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, or Neal Morse.
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frippism
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Joined: July 27 2010
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 05:02 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
I can't tell at all what is going on in that post above mine.
P.S. the avant-prog scene is flourishing as much as ever.
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Couldn't agree more
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There be dragons
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frippism
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Posted: July 12 2011 at 05:01 |
TheClosing wrote:
undercover_man wrote:
Youngins these days ... In my day we had to walk ten miles up a hill and through the snow just to listen to prog. That's how inaccessible it was! |
Interesting. |
Are you kidding me? Back in the day (2005) you had to walk 25 miles in the snow barefoot and naked in the woods smeared in caramel being chased by angry bears. And then you crawled into the record store begging for a King Crimson and he would say : "nay! We only have Kanye West sampling KC!" and you would need to compensate and have to listen to Kanye West forever... Psh... you think you had it tough...
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There be dragons
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